Marguerite
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I would be interested to watch this, if it didn't cost so much. Video is expensive to view, with the way Australian service providers charge for internet access. And I don't see this as worth the expense. I have been following the case in broad since it first broke in the news, I did know about it, I realise. It's just that there have, sadly, been a few cases of a girl going missing who later turns out to have been killed, generally by a parent figure. We have a similar case or three dozen here at the moment. One case is eerily familiar - the child was reported missing but had not actually been seen for two weeks before the reported missing date when the child apparently wandered out of the home during the night in her pyjamas. They found the body in the woods some months later, clearly having been buried. They have now charged the mother and stepfather with murder, claiming the death to have occurred well before the reported missing date and using mobile phone records to break the alibis and prove that both these people were near the burial site at a time they claimed they were not. And yes - we all saw the tears, the poor distraught mother whose baby was missing.
A sociopath is able to cry. I also believe they are able to feel sadness, grief, loss. I worked with a bloke I am convinced was a sociopath - he did some horrible things to me and to other people. He was vicious to animals (we worked with animals in the job) and was ruthless in going after what he wanted. But when his life came crashing down and all his plans fell apart, I saw a broken man. He thought he was in the room alone, he was a mess. Not sobbing, but the shoulder slump almost had me feeling sorry for him. But only almost. He was a man grieving for sure. But he was grieving what HE had lost, and very, very unhappy that all his actions had come back to bite him. He was sorry for himself, in other words. I watched him as he cleaned out his desk. Then a week later when I was sure he was gone for good (he had been the comeback king) I went out and bought champagne.
Whether there is anything impregnated in the tissue she is wielding - I doubt it would be needed. Right now she would be sad enough at the tangle of lies she is caught in and yes, she has lost her daughter who at some level, would have meant something to her. Even if her daughter's death was a deliberate premeditated act, there is still room for her to grieve also. And I think the girl's death is most likely not premeditated but at worst, an act of impulse. More likely, culpable neglect and long-term abuse. The abuse was definitely pre-meditated, but for a self-centred person would have been able to be justified and validated in a sick mind.
The duct tape - why would anyone put it on after death? If it covered her eyes I could understand post-mortem application. Or if it held her body together (stopping arms flopping for example). But to cover her mouth with it post-mortem? Doesn't make sense. For me, the duct tape over mouth and probably nose, seems to be damning. The heart sticker - an indication of regret, remorse perhaps, of confusion almost certainly.
I do feel sorry for the grandparents of the dead child. Who knows what they have been through, trying to raise their daughter? How many of us have been there, done the best we could with what we had, not had all the information or support we could have done with, and ended up anyway with a now-adult child who is far from a model citizen? And now they know their granddaughter is dead. Gone beyond their reach. All they have left is their daughter, however damaged she is. They may or may not believe her guilty, but she is all they have left and they perhaps are trying to salvage what they can. Whatever happens form here, I think they need to see justice done, for the sake of their granddaughter. And they need to know that they did not influence matters by their own actions.
The only thing I find more distressing than cases like this, are cases where children murder other children, for the thrill. In those cases I especially worry when the focus is intensely on the child murderer and their deed, and not on how such a child came to be what they are. Sometimes things just are, and sometimes there are deeper crimes that need to be brought into the light of day. But by the time someone is murdered, it is often too late to aim for redemption. Society just doesn't allow it.
Marg
A sociopath is able to cry. I also believe they are able to feel sadness, grief, loss. I worked with a bloke I am convinced was a sociopath - he did some horrible things to me and to other people. He was vicious to animals (we worked with animals in the job) and was ruthless in going after what he wanted. But when his life came crashing down and all his plans fell apart, I saw a broken man. He thought he was in the room alone, he was a mess. Not sobbing, but the shoulder slump almost had me feeling sorry for him. But only almost. He was a man grieving for sure. But he was grieving what HE had lost, and very, very unhappy that all his actions had come back to bite him. He was sorry for himself, in other words. I watched him as he cleaned out his desk. Then a week later when I was sure he was gone for good (he had been the comeback king) I went out and bought champagne.
Whether there is anything impregnated in the tissue she is wielding - I doubt it would be needed. Right now she would be sad enough at the tangle of lies she is caught in and yes, she has lost her daughter who at some level, would have meant something to her. Even if her daughter's death was a deliberate premeditated act, there is still room for her to grieve also. And I think the girl's death is most likely not premeditated but at worst, an act of impulse. More likely, culpable neglect and long-term abuse. The abuse was definitely pre-meditated, but for a self-centred person would have been able to be justified and validated in a sick mind.
The duct tape - why would anyone put it on after death? If it covered her eyes I could understand post-mortem application. Or if it held her body together (stopping arms flopping for example). But to cover her mouth with it post-mortem? Doesn't make sense. For me, the duct tape over mouth and probably nose, seems to be damning. The heart sticker - an indication of regret, remorse perhaps, of confusion almost certainly.
I do feel sorry for the grandparents of the dead child. Who knows what they have been through, trying to raise their daughter? How many of us have been there, done the best we could with what we had, not had all the information or support we could have done with, and ended up anyway with a now-adult child who is far from a model citizen? And now they know their granddaughter is dead. Gone beyond their reach. All they have left is their daughter, however damaged she is. They may or may not believe her guilty, but she is all they have left and they perhaps are trying to salvage what they can. Whatever happens form here, I think they need to see justice done, for the sake of their granddaughter. And they need to know that they did not influence matters by their own actions.
The only thing I find more distressing than cases like this, are cases where children murder other children, for the thrill. In those cases I especially worry when the focus is intensely on the child murderer and their deed, and not on how such a child came to be what they are. Sometimes things just are, and sometimes there are deeper crimes that need to be brought into the light of day. But by the time someone is murdered, it is often too late to aim for redemption. Society just doesn't allow it.
Marg
Mine is somewhere along the lines of Marguerite's - death arising out of long-term neglect/abuse which Casey justifies and minimise in her own mind. I don't understand the duct tape. But this simply does not speak to me of a calmly, meticulously planned crime. It speaks to me of random, chaotic actions carried out by someone who is deeply disturbed - how many people calmly steal from their friends without blinking an eye? Lie systematically, even when there is no need? Premeditation arises out of cunning calculation - I don't think that was Casey's case. Look how soon the body was discovered - because Casey had buried it in woods close to her home, well known to her. Who would carry a dead body around in the back of a car if they were acting with intelligent planning? As for the internet searches on neck breaking - this was on the boyfriend's computer and was probably him researching into wrestling. But who knows!
