Cops called, wife gone

miles2go

Member
So the mediator's report came out. She believes me and says my problem will be explaining to the kids later why I haven't done this sooner, which is true. Recommends the wife gets the kids every second weekend and two evenings a week. Temporary until we either a) do Kids Turn workshops (anyone here heard of them?) and go back to mediation or 2) go into custody evaluation which will investigate allegations.
I know it's probably best I could ask for at the moment but overnight and/or unsupervised visits leave me very reluctant to jump with joy.
 

JJJ

Active Member
Teach your children to call 911 if mommy becomes violent. Let them know that the police can come and help.
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
So the mediator's report came out. She believes me and says my problem will be explaining to the kids later why I haven't done this sooner, which is true. Recommends the wife gets the kids every second weekend and two evenings a week. Temporary until we either a) do Kids Turn workshops (anyone here heard of them?) and go back to mediation or 2) go into custody evaluation which will investigate allegations.
I know it's probably best I could ask for at the moment but overnight and/or unsupervised visits leave me very reluctant to jump with joy.
Just remember this is a recommendation, not set in stone.

Honestly... BM has Jett 2 evenings a week and for some reason is totally incapable of bringing him home on time - and he has to get ready for bed including winding down and taking a shower. So his getting home late usually leaves him about 15 minutes to do this. Ever try to get an 11-y/o boy who has been fed ramen and candy for dinner, wound down, teeth brushed, shower in that amount of time? Interestingly the behavior problem reports at school are always the next days - because he didn't get enough sleep!!!

Also. If the kids don't want to visit, they don't have to. That is THEIR choice. Especially with the older ones, and ESPECIALLY with the abuse you have described.

Teach the kids 911. This is NO JOKE.
 

miles2go

Member
Physical violence probably won't be an issue, she can be on good behavior if she tries. Its the emotional stuff that she doesn't realize (or won't admit to herself is wrong) that I am more concerned about. And that stuff triggers more mania in difficult child ... Yeah I am getting a phone for him
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
Good. Get one with GPS tracking if you can. T-Mobile and Verizon both have them - as I am sure other carriers do as well.
 

miles2go

Member
Good tip, Step. Now if I could get one with a hidden recorder and a long memory...
They want to settle to the mediator recommendation; I am trying to trade more afternoons for no overnights.
I am thinking it's all temporary anyway, and a custody evaluation is looming large.
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
If you've got the DA in on this... You don't have to send the kids for overnights. If she's been violent in the past - even emotionally and verbally so - it is in their best interests not to go... Unless it's supervised.

A lot of places have supervised visitation. Unfortunately most are women's shelters and looking to help out women (we have one here that will manufacture evidence against men). Sad but true. Still - church maybe? The kids need both of you... But they do NOT need to put up with the koi.
 

miles2go

Member
Step -- I don't feel good about unsupervised either, and grandma is not a great supervisor (she won't have a clue about emotional abuse). The DA decided to not prosecute. CPS may or may not investigate. If we go into hearing without a deal, there is so much stuff that the judge will probably move it to full blown trial and order temporarily mediator-recommended deal anyway.
So I am thinking sign on to grandma-supervised deal for, say, 4 months, and if we don't get a better deal meanwhile, go into custody evaluation.
Of course I could chance it and go into a hearing without a deal, hoping that the judge will give a more restrictive temp arrangement, e.g. with some more competent supervisor. However that would be more disruptive for the children and even in my opinion more than they probably need to deal with.
So the mediator is probably right is setting this up as a temp arrangement, letting everyone do some therapy.
 

miles2go

Member
Aaand we are in hotel! Bad meltdown last night, stayed over again after being moved out by the medator. Wife spent the day in a meltown too so the kids and I are at this nice quiet hotel. She wrote emails to lawyers describing their birth and breast feeding, all that at $30-50 per email to read. Wonder if her lawyer will keep sending clients to that shrink who gave her a clean bill.
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
DO NOT - DO NOT send your kids on unsupervised visits with her. Find a park, watch from a distance (line of sight but out of earshot). If you let this go on, the judge will say, well, it's obviously not an issue in the past so why bring it up now?

Get new locks for your doors. The mediator moved her out? KEEP HER OUT. I'm not trying to be a witch or mean, fact is she hurt your child, and will do it again. You cannot let this go on. She has no right to be in your home if she has been moved out. Call the local PD if you have to. Get it on paper. I know you want to have the least stress you can on the kids, but please realize that the kids are probably going to need therapy anyway (in my opinion, most people need therapy at least once in their lives, and double that for kids of an amicable divorce. This isn't one). I do know that the courts favor women more as a rule (though this isn't supposed to happen, it does - usually), but you are talking about the safety of the kids. Honestly it's in their best interests to not have to deal with her alone.

Supervised by you at a distance (not at home), or by someone you trust (not her mother), or something like that. Please...
 

katya02

Solace
I second Step's advice. Change the locks; get a PFA order against her; call the PD to have her removed if necessary. Do what it takes to protect the children. Meltdowns that require your removal to a hotel qualify for a 911 call.

I know you're doing your best to protect the children; just focus on that. If a man were having multiple violent meltdowns like this, he'd be in jail and his wife would have sole custody, slam dunk. It's wrong that the system is prejudiced, but still - if an attorney presents evidence of repeated abuse the court should not ignore it and order unsupervised visitation. Will your attorney fight for your kids on this? If not, maybe another attorney is in order.

My sibs and I grew up with constant abuse from an unbalanced narcissistic borderline mother, and we all have chronic anger at our father for not protecting us. You're doing the right thing. Stay strong.
 

miles2go

Member
Well since there was no violence just then but insane emails who knows if I was overreacting, right? The hotel has the gym we are members of, so she runs into us this morning and spends some unsupervised time with each of the boys.
Tomorrow, I have to find out what the consequences are of all these violations. If none, why should she obey the next court order?
And I have to decide to settle (probably some subpar visitation) or fight for something better (like court appointed supervisor). Of course if she doesn't want to settle for anything reasonable, that makes it easier for me.
 

miles2go

Member
O and did I mention she showed up just now at bedtime when the boys were bathing and sent the difficult child to ask me to let her stay?
Wtf is an court order worth?
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
miles2go said:
Tomorrow, I have to find out what the consequences are of all these violations. If none, why should she obey the next court order?
There will likely be none. See, one of the big issues here is that if you (as a man) allow her to get away with these things (as in, unsupervised time, her staying, etc.) - so will the court.
miles2go said:
And I have to decide to settle (probably some subpar visitation) or fight for something better (like court appointed supervisor). Of course if she doesn't want to settle for anything reasonable, that makes it easier for me.
Not necessarily. BM never agreed on anything. And somehow she STILL keeps getting her way. The ONLY time she caved was - first - she agreed to switching residential because the GAL report showed her 7-month-old infant had died in her care while Onyxx and Jett were there - second - she agreed to husband having sole custody after her boyfriend sexually abused Onyxx and CPS returned "indicated" on their report.
miles2go said:
O and did I mention she showed up just now at bedtime when the boys were bathing and sent the difficult child to ask me to let her stay? Wtf is an court order worth?
Court orders are not worth the paper they are printed on if one of the parties ignore them. Change your locks. Call the police when she shows up. Have that order ready. YEAH, it's a "civil matter", and technically the cops do not have to do anything - but she IS TRESPASSING - and THAT is a CRIMINAL matter.

Again, not trying to be a witch, just getting more and more worried. I saw what happened to my kids because the lawyers kept telling husband to "let it go", the judge would not listen to his own professionals, would not review any of husband's evidence, the cops would not enforce a "civil matter". I see that Jett is being SPOILED ROTTEN in an effort on BM's part to make him say negative things about husband, since she has lost all hold on Onyxx. I also see how much she truly cares - last weekend visit he was VOMITING on Saturday and she told him that Daddy would take him to the doctor SUNDAY after his return. And no, she did not bring him home early. She had him call Daddy. 5 minutes after he got back Sunday, we gave him phenergan and snuggled him up on the sofa. By an hour later he was fine. An hour. And he had been vomiting more than 24, and was HORRIBLY dehydrated.

Seriously. For your kids.
 

miles2go

Member
No hearing, judge out, pro tem is not good, we have a temp deal. She gets them 2 afternoons a week and every other weekend, overnight. Supervised by her mom, better than nothing. Signed up for a buncha counseling and other junk - she'll just go on about parenting styles and counselors will work on reaching consensus.
I have to strategize now.
Now my lawyer tells me that supervised visitation is usually a transitional step, going into unsupervised. True? That would be exactly the nightmare whose fear prevented me from acting earlier.
I think we'll have round 2 of mediation with more or less same result or worse.
The alternative is a full blown custody evaluation and trial. Anyone done custody evaluation here?
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
Custody evaluation was not the nightmare it sounds like.

OK... Best advice here? LISTEN to your kids. If they act like something's wrong or weird... Or SAY anything... Listen. That is the BEST thing you can do for them. Even if they lie - Onyxx lied for attention.

As for the evaluation. We did psychological, psychologist basically said BM and husband were severe narcissists, I was a doormat and Jett was "retarded" (I kid you not, this was in her report), but that husband was possibly a better choice (this is the woman who, when our lawyer read her report, he said - WOW - GLOWING recommendation - apparently she doesn't like dads having their kids). Child advocate leaned HEAVILY toward husband having custody "if conflict continues" - said BM was creating drama and it was hurting the kids. Judge ignored this. ONE MONTH LATER, the kids' half sister died (age 7 months); coroner reported "asphyxiation due to co sleeping with an adult". So we mustered resources and tried again. Somehow got the same child advocate from the county (I think she may have requested the case, not sure) and a GAL who was extremely abrasive... To husband and I, until he started going through the 2" binder full of documentation we provided... Child advocate said husband needed custody, GAL said same - because BM's documentation proved husband's points (as did ours), living conditions/schools much better with us, child death was very suspicious, etc. etc. etc. ...And husband got residential, still shared parenting. One more year, and guess what? Found out BM's boyfriend was molesting Onyxx. It took 6 1/2 years of being in the trenches, documenting right and left, her getting protective order after protective order (and in some cases, just trying), that were all ultimately thrown out because as one magistrate (in a different county) put it, she "seemed to have a serious problem determining the truth and staying with one story"... Both the kids being abused, not just physically (actually the emotional abuse is much worse, especially after BM told Onyxx she was a liar and married the man who hurt her daughter). husband has lost a lot of time with both kids because of the games that have been played - and the judge blew it off and said BM was upset because husband was behind in child support (about $300 at the time; she's more than $2K behind now, but we do not play these games). The judge actually jailed husband for 3 days last summer - and when the order came out, it was because Jett had visited BM on Mother's Day. (HUH?) He went so far as to sentence him to 60 more days, suspended, for not FORCING Onyxx to visit BM. Um - kid is 15 (was 14 then), and is as big as I am - FORCE her? I think not. That's DV. Especially as violent as this kid gets.

Fact is - the custody evaluation wasn't too bad. Getting the judge to listen to his own experts was the hard part. And it took that long, the death of an infant and sexual abuse, to get the kids to a safe environment. And we're going back to court in 2 weeks because BM is complaining she missed ONE VISIT with Jett, and she wants husband in JAIL for it. (She filed a contempt 3 weeks after the visit in question was made up... And we successfully filed a complaint and got a visiting judge - who as it turns out has a history of not putting up with a lot of koi from any parent.)

After I've said all this... IT'S WORTH IT FOR YOUR KIDS!!!
 

miles2go

Member
Was this a custody evaluation where they also talk to kids' teachers and doctors? Not sure we are talking about the same thing. Here, in California, we had and will have again a "recommending mediation" which sounds like your psychiatric evaluation.
Custody evaluation afaik is often not by a psychologist but some other specialist who does more of an "investigation".
Anything they find will be in my favor; I am wondering if I should just go for it and for the trial right away and not waste time on other stuff.
For my lawyer I think the questions is "what can I get out of the trial under the best of circumstances?", and "do my chances diminish as abuses fade with time?"
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
Judges in Antarctica sound nasty. I am going to see what I can do; I don't think time is working for me now.
LOL - actually the Midwest. But still.

And you're right - time is NOT on your side. The more she pulls these stunts and "gets away" with them, the more damaged the kids will be.

I'm living it. From a stepmom's point of view.
 
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