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<blockquote data-quote="Scent of Cedar *" data-source="post: 667509" data-attributes="member: 17461"><p>Guilt, and expiation, for an action taken. </p><p></p><p>For an action taken.</p><p></p><p>Versus shame for being a person who would take such an action. </p><p></p><p>As I am seeking to label and blame and shame my family of origin for being people who would take the actions each has taken. Versus noting the right or wrong of whatever the action was without condemning the person who took the action. Or, without condemning myself for having been the person the action was taken against.</p><p></p><p>The guilt culture allows for circumstance; stealing bread if you are too poor to pay the price asked versus overcharging for bread though you are aware the price asked is more than necessary. But nonetheless, the breadmaker accuses the poor man of thievery. Both things are wrong, but the greater wrong is the person overcharging for bread. In the culture of guilt, the person overcharging for bread would be responsible for both crimes.</p><p></p><p>And would make expiation and continue making bread. Only this time, the poor man could afford it and so, no thievery because the correct criminal was indicted.</p><p></p><p>No shame. </p><p></p><p>A simple acknowledgment of human nature. Any of us might do what any of us have done, given the right set of circumstances.</p><p></p><p>No moral highground to be claimed or defended or lost. </p><p></p><p>I am thinking about this, Copa.</p><p></p><p>Cedar</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scent of Cedar *, post: 667509, member: 17461"] Guilt, and expiation, for an action taken. For an action taken. Versus shame for being a person who would take such an action. As I am seeking to label and blame and shame my family of origin for being people who would take the actions each has taken. Versus noting the right or wrong of whatever the action was without condemning the person who took the action. Or, without condemning myself for having been the person the action was taken against. The guilt culture allows for circumstance; stealing bread if you are too poor to pay the price asked versus overcharging for bread though you are aware the price asked is more than necessary. But nonetheless, the breadmaker accuses the poor man of thievery. Both things are wrong, but the greater wrong is the person overcharging for bread. In the culture of guilt, the person overcharging for bread would be responsible for both crimes. And would make expiation and continue making bread. Only this time, the poor man could afford it and so, no thievery because the correct criminal was indicted. No shame. A simple acknowledgment of human nature. Any of us might do what any of us have done, given the right set of circumstances. No moral highground to be claimed or defended or lost. I am thinking about this, Copa. Cedar [/QUOTE]
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