pepperidge
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Hi Martie and Sheila,
I am still struggling with the issue of whether my son's issues constitute a significant enough adverse impact to warrant an IEP. I apologize in advance for the length of the post.
In terms of conditions, he would seem to qualify under OHI because of Fetal Alcohol Effects (FAE)/ADHD and a diagnosis of prodromal features of bipolar. This seems to be accepted by the school district.
The issue is whether his conditions have resulted in an adverse educational impact, as I posted last week.
The school wants to place him on a 504. They write that the education impact is not there: according to the director of Special Education for the district, "In generally the significant educational effect is with regard to frequency and severity of impact and is most often reflected in performances that are within the extremes of behavior; at least within the 10% tile or lower or if considering externalizing, acting out behavior that is above the 90% tile "
Nowhere have I seen reference to the need to be in certain percentiles. Is what the school district says correct? Should I ask them to show the regulations? Or are these percentiles what is used in practice in determining adverse educational impact?
That said, it seems pretty hard to demonstrate adverse educational impact. According to the private evaluation we had done, his WISC IV scordes put him in the following percentiles : VCI --47th, PRI --25th, WMI 55th, and PSI 7th percentile. He scored in 19th percentile in the OWLS Listening Comprehension test.
On the WJII tests, he scored essentially in the range of 35-50 percentile based on age In math and reading.
The tester not that although there was not a wide discrepancy between cognitive and academic functioning his academic performance in the classroom suggests education need. He is a very fragile youngster. His profile of significant executive dysfunction suggests a high level of academic risk in all areas as the academic demands become more complex and greater independence is required. She also notes that he has come along way because of all the support he has been given (parent help at home, therapy).
His teacher writes that he "is in need of and will respond positively to getting some extra help. He generally needs far more repetitions of a given technique than an average student before it sinks in so I think he oftentimes falls behind the rest of the class as they move through material. Due to his problems with executive function he isnt a kid who will be able to make up some of that gap on his own so I hope we can find a way to provide him with some opportunities to work in very small groups or individually with an aide or other qualified person. Although his academic performance may not qualify him for SPED at his point he is a child who is very much at risk. Having had him in my room last year and then tutoring him this summer in reading and math I found that he responds very well to one-on-one instruction. He definitely needs someone to spend extra time with him when working with math. I believe this can happen within the classroom as long as he is required to show he can complete the work on his own and, if necessary, given the necessary support."
So bottom line, I think we are going to have a hard time arguing for adverse educational impact at this point. The school district seems willing to provide some support in the classroom (aide?) under a 504. If they are unwilling to provide any individual support, would we be in a stronger position to argue for an IEP? Should he fail his math tests and maybe reading comprehension tests, then would we be in a position to go for a IEP? I also liked your idea of testing him at regular basis, Martie, to see whether he is keeping up. People tell me it is very hard to test reading comprehension. But there must be some test that is normed that would tell if he is keeping up.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate having you all as a resource to come to. We live in a small town and the nearest good educational advocate or lawyer is probably 150 miles away.
Thanks again,
Chris
I am still struggling with the issue of whether my son's issues constitute a significant enough adverse impact to warrant an IEP. I apologize in advance for the length of the post.
In terms of conditions, he would seem to qualify under OHI because of Fetal Alcohol Effects (FAE)/ADHD and a diagnosis of prodromal features of bipolar. This seems to be accepted by the school district.
The issue is whether his conditions have resulted in an adverse educational impact, as I posted last week.
The school wants to place him on a 504. They write that the education impact is not there: according to the director of Special Education for the district, "In generally the significant educational effect is with regard to frequency and severity of impact and is most often reflected in performances that are within the extremes of behavior; at least within the 10% tile or lower or if considering externalizing, acting out behavior that is above the 90% tile "
Nowhere have I seen reference to the need to be in certain percentiles. Is what the school district says correct? Should I ask them to show the regulations? Or are these percentiles what is used in practice in determining adverse educational impact?
That said, it seems pretty hard to demonstrate adverse educational impact. According to the private evaluation we had done, his WISC IV scordes put him in the following percentiles : VCI --47th, PRI --25th, WMI 55th, and PSI 7th percentile. He scored in 19th percentile in the OWLS Listening Comprehension test.
On the WJII tests, he scored essentially in the range of 35-50 percentile based on age In math and reading.
The tester not that although there was not a wide discrepancy between cognitive and academic functioning his academic performance in the classroom suggests education need. He is a very fragile youngster. His profile of significant executive dysfunction suggests a high level of academic risk in all areas as the academic demands become more complex and greater independence is required. She also notes that he has come along way because of all the support he has been given (parent help at home, therapy).
His teacher writes that he "is in need of and will respond positively to getting some extra help. He generally needs far more repetitions of a given technique than an average student before it sinks in so I think he oftentimes falls behind the rest of the class as they move through material. Due to his problems with executive function he isnt a kid who will be able to make up some of that gap on his own so I hope we can find a way to provide him with some opportunities to work in very small groups or individually with an aide or other qualified person. Although his academic performance may not qualify him for SPED at his point he is a child who is very much at risk. Having had him in my room last year and then tutoring him this summer in reading and math I found that he responds very well to one-on-one instruction. He definitely needs someone to spend extra time with him when working with math. I believe this can happen within the classroom as long as he is required to show he can complete the work on his own and, if necessary, given the necessary support."
So bottom line, I think we are going to have a hard time arguing for adverse educational impact at this point. The school district seems willing to provide some support in the classroom (aide?) under a 504. If they are unwilling to provide any individual support, would we be in a stronger position to argue for an IEP? Should he fail his math tests and maybe reading comprehension tests, then would we be in a position to go for a IEP? I also liked your idea of testing him at regular basis, Martie, to see whether he is keeping up. People tell me it is very hard to test reading comprehension. But there must be some test that is normed that would tell if he is keeping up.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate having you all as a resource to come to. We live in a small town and the nearest good educational advocate or lawyer is probably 150 miles away.
Thanks again,
Chris