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<blockquote data-quote="helpangel" data-source="post: 617035" data-attributes="member: 7170"><p>I want to start by saying what a good job you are doing as a mom and your son is very lucky to have a loving stable family unit. You are years ahead of where I was when Angel was that age on getting treatment. I was glad to hear that you feel the neurologist is wasting your time - neurologist is more to rule out brain tumors, epilepsy, seizure disorders etc. glad to hear that isn't what is going on with your son.</p><p></p><p>He still sounds similar to what Angel had going on - bipolar that was being made worse by several other issues. I believe without the Ritalin they started Angel on when she was 4yo she might have not required a psychiatric hospital stay at all. The Ritalin didn't cause her bipolar but it did escalate it toward mania to the extent she required being hospitalized. If her first medication had been a mood stabilizer or antipsychotic there is a good chance her illness could have been properly managed and she would have never seen the inside of a psychiatric hospital. Her sister was diagnosis with bipolar 5 years ago, was there since birth yet has never required hospitalization for it, taking the right medications no one would ever even suspect she has it.</p><p></p><p>Several things in your post make me think that bipolar might be part of your son's story... brother with both depression & adHd (both extremes of moods high/low) - without major life stressors might never be diagnosis bipolar but if he has a major trama (girl friend dumps, friend hurt or dies, fails major test, scores goal for other team...) or plays with recreational drugs (crack, speed or sativa type marijuana) could throw him into depression so intense there could be a suicide attempt or mania that might not sleep for 3 days and become violent or delusional. Not meaning to scare you just saying don't make my mistake, I was so focused on Angel the other 2 weren't given as much attention as they needed.</p><p></p><p>Years ago people didn't talk about mental illness most swept it under the rug and didn't seek treatment (with good reason 50 years ago treatment often hurt more then helped)that's why when asking about MH issues in family tree there are ?s about suicides, alcoholics & drug abuse; a person who has attempted suicide, who dies in sleep from alcohol & drug abuse probably had undiagnosed bipolar disorder.</p><p></p><p>I still say a good developmental pediatrician is worth their weight in gold, and even though had to wait 4 months to get into ours she saved Angel's life, actually she saved both of my girls many years of the wrong type treatment. The problem I had with specialists is they have tunnel vision toward their specialty - often their treatment was totally making another condition horribly worse. I had a meltdown myself one day in the neurologists office after listening to her and the psychiatrist have a pi$$ing contest on the speaker phone. The neurologist had increased the mood stabilizer that the psychiatrist was prescribing with an eyedropper. "I need a doctor who is going to look at her brain, her butt, her feet and every other square inch of her and stop trying to chop my kid into pieces and only deal with their select part of her". </p><p></p><p>GI doctor about flipped out when told him the psychiatrist was suggesting a gluten-free, casein-free diet - they often substitute the wheat with soy in that diet - Angel has sensitivity to soy have to limit it and she needs the fiber in the wheat. Thyroid being out of whack causes constipation, so do a lot of psychiatric medications, 4 times Angel has been in hospital for constipation twice requiring the OR. I'm not just talking tummy ache cause can't poop I'm talking life threatening into OR to remove 12 Lbs of it in one shot before her intestines explode.</p><p></p><p>I strongly advise you to see a developmental pediatrician. Your husband is probably right in the thinking there are other avenues besides inpatient at this point. My insurance the only way Angel can be admitted to psychiatric hospital is if she can't take care of physical needs (comatose crapping herself) or is a danger to herself or others. 17 times she has met that criteria, though thankfully not in the past 2 years (finally got a handle on this).</p><p></p><p>Take care of yourself so you are able to care for others and keep posting, this site & the parents here have helped me more then I could begin to explain. Yes I took a break when got a stability break to do some camping, read some books for fun etc... but now I'm back I feel I owe it to this website to help others the way these wonderful people helped me - they were literally my life line for several years.</p><p></p><p>Nancy</p><p></p><p>PS your original post you said most threads involved older children - there is a separate forum called early childhood most of those posts involve kids 2-7yo</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="helpangel, post: 617035, member: 7170"] I want to start by saying what a good job you are doing as a mom and your son is very lucky to have a loving stable family unit. You are years ahead of where I was when Angel was that age on getting treatment. I was glad to hear that you feel the neurologist is wasting your time - neurologist is more to rule out brain tumors, epilepsy, seizure disorders etc. glad to hear that isn't what is going on with your son. He still sounds similar to what Angel had going on - bipolar that was being made worse by several other issues. I believe without the Ritalin they started Angel on when she was 4yo she might have not required a psychiatric hospital stay at all. The Ritalin didn't cause her bipolar but it did escalate it toward mania to the extent she required being hospitalized. If her first medication had been a mood stabilizer or antipsychotic there is a good chance her illness could have been properly managed and she would have never seen the inside of a psychiatric hospital. Her sister was diagnosis with bipolar 5 years ago, was there since birth yet has never required hospitalization for it, taking the right medications no one would ever even suspect she has it. Several things in your post make me think that bipolar might be part of your son's story... brother with both depression & adHd (both extremes of moods high/low) - without major life stressors might never be diagnosis bipolar but if he has a major trama (girl friend dumps, friend hurt or dies, fails major test, scores goal for other team...) or plays with recreational drugs (crack, speed or sativa type marijuana) could throw him into depression so intense there could be a suicide attempt or mania that might not sleep for 3 days and become violent or delusional. Not meaning to scare you just saying don't make my mistake, I was so focused on Angel the other 2 weren't given as much attention as they needed. Years ago people didn't talk about mental illness most swept it under the rug and didn't seek treatment (with good reason 50 years ago treatment often hurt more then helped)that's why when asking about MH issues in family tree there are ?s about suicides, alcoholics & drug abuse; a person who has attempted suicide, who dies in sleep from alcohol & drug abuse probably had undiagnosed bipolar disorder. I still say a good developmental pediatrician is worth their weight in gold, and even though had to wait 4 months to get into ours she saved Angel's life, actually she saved both of my girls many years of the wrong type treatment. The problem I had with specialists is they have tunnel vision toward their specialty - often their treatment was totally making another condition horribly worse. I had a meltdown myself one day in the neurologists office after listening to her and the psychiatrist have a pi$$ing contest on the speaker phone. The neurologist had increased the mood stabilizer that the psychiatrist was prescribing with an eyedropper. "I need a doctor who is going to look at her brain, her butt, her feet and every other square inch of her and stop trying to chop my kid into pieces and only deal with their select part of her". GI doctor about flipped out when told him the psychiatrist was suggesting a gluten-free, casein-free diet - they often substitute the wheat with soy in that diet - Angel has sensitivity to soy have to limit it and she needs the fiber in the wheat. Thyroid being out of whack causes constipation, so do a lot of psychiatric medications, 4 times Angel has been in hospital for constipation twice requiring the OR. I'm not just talking tummy ache cause can't poop I'm talking life threatening into OR to remove 12 Lbs of it in one shot before her intestines explode. I strongly advise you to see a developmental pediatrician. Your husband is probably right in the thinking there are other avenues besides inpatient at this point. My insurance the only way Angel can be admitted to psychiatric hospital is if she can't take care of physical needs (comatose crapping herself) or is a danger to herself or others. 17 times she has met that criteria, though thankfully not in the past 2 years (finally got a handle on this). Take care of yourself so you are able to care for others and keep posting, this site & the parents here have helped me more then I could begin to explain. Yes I took a break when got a stability break to do some camping, read some books for fun etc... but now I'm back I feel I owe it to this website to help others the way these wonderful people helped me - they were literally my life line for several years. Nancy PS your original post you said most threads involved older children - there is a separate forum called early childhood most of those posts involve kids 2-7yo [/QUOTE]
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