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<blockquote data-quote="Steely" data-source="post: 228899" data-attributes="member: 3301"><p>So KLMNO, I feel like I have lost touch with you. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> Sorry.</p><p></p><p>Where are you at with getting difficult child placed in a Residential Treatment Center (RTC)? Is that still the direction you want to go? </p><p></p><p>I think kids with bi-polar need unbelievable amounts of structure when it comes to their timing of sleep. This is not ever something I put in any other basket except A for Matt. In fact it was one of the only things I put in A, because without going to bed at a certain time, his cycling would flare. He had to be in bed, and asleep at a certain time.</p><p></p><p>Of course medications helped to put him to sleep, but around 8 I would start the process of closing the blinds, telling him it was time to watch tv as a family, let him get a snack, give him his medications, and then he after an hour or so he had to go to bed.</p><p></p><p>Now I started this when he was about 9, and it stuck until 16, so it did not really become too much of battle unless he was over the top manic. At age 16, as you know, our whole world feel apart, and I let everything with him fall. It resulted in him going to his normal bi-polar internal clock schedule, which was staying up all night, and sleeping all day. (His dad is bi-polar, and without a job, he does the same thing. Weird.)</p><p></p><p>I am not sure how you start this with difficult child now, except maybe using some carrots as perks. As in,</p><p>"Hey we are "both" going to start having this new routine and going to bed at the same time, because I am just not getting enough sleep, and I know you are not either. Plus I want to start having family time, so at 9 each night lets watch a movie, have some snacks, talk a little, and then lights out for the whole house at 11."</p><p>Something like that.</p><p>I used to tell Matt, which was true, that I could not sleep if he was awake, and I had to get my sleep or I could not go to work and provide for us.</p><p></p><p>Be creative, but perhaps making the structure part of the house's structure, will help. Heck blame it on the dogs, pumkin needs sleep, she is becoming confused because everyone is up all the time. Or the power company is going into a brown out at 10, they now need citizens to cut off all power at 9 <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tongue:" title="tongue :tongue:" data-shortname=":tongue:" /> Whatever it takes, but I would make this a basket A or his cycling will continue to flare.</p><p></p><p>Hugs, and let me know where you are at the in the process of getting outside help for him. I know the structure of where Matt is at now, helps him a lot. New years eve they could stay up as long as they wanted, and my first thought was - oh - I bet the next day he was a <em>great</em>......not The kid has always needed like 11 hours of sleep to be rational. No lie. In fact, at one point the psychiatrist also added ambien just so he would actually go to sleep because that is how important it was to keep him from cycling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steely, post: 228899, member: 3301"] So KLMNO, I feel like I have lost touch with you. :frowny: Sorry. Where are you at with getting difficult child placed in a Residential Treatment Center (RTC)? Is that still the direction you want to go? I think kids with bi-polar need unbelievable amounts of structure when it comes to their timing of sleep. This is not ever something I put in any other basket except A for Matt. In fact it was one of the only things I put in A, because without going to bed at a certain time, his cycling would flare. He had to be in bed, and asleep at a certain time. Of course medications helped to put him to sleep, but around 8 I would start the process of closing the blinds, telling him it was time to watch tv as a family, let him get a snack, give him his medications, and then he after an hour or so he had to go to bed. Now I started this when he was about 9, and it stuck until 16, so it did not really become too much of battle unless he was over the top manic. At age 16, as you know, our whole world feel apart, and I let everything with him fall. It resulted in him going to his normal bi-polar internal clock schedule, which was staying up all night, and sleeping all day. (His dad is bi-polar, and without a job, he does the same thing. Weird.) I am not sure how you start this with difficult child now, except maybe using some carrots as perks. As in, "Hey we are "both" going to start having this new routine and going to bed at the same time, because I am just not getting enough sleep, and I know you are not either. Plus I want to start having family time, so at 9 each night lets watch a movie, have some snacks, talk a little, and then lights out for the whole house at 11." Something like that. I used to tell Matt, which was true, that I could not sleep if he was awake, and I had to get my sleep or I could not go to work and provide for us. Be creative, but perhaps making the structure part of the house's structure, will help. Heck blame it on the dogs, pumkin needs sleep, she is becoming confused because everyone is up all the time. Or the power company is going into a brown out at 10, they now need citizens to cut off all power at 9 :raspberry-tounge: Whatever it takes, but I would make this a basket A or his cycling will continue to flare. Hugs, and let me know where you are at the in the process of getting outside help for him. I know the structure of where Matt is at now, helps him a lot. New years eve they could stay up as long as they wanted, and my first thought was - oh - I bet the next day he was a [I]great[/I]......not The kid has always needed like 11 hours of sleep to be rational. No lie. In fact, at one point the psychiatrist also added ambien just so he would actually go to sleep because that is how important it was to keep him from cycling. [/QUOTE]
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