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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 708389" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>I do not think "all" of us were better at this age. I am a doctor, now collecting social security.</p><p></p><p>I could say (and do, in relation to my own son, because I am a hypocrite) that I was better except at least, I omit the word "better" but to my shame it is implied. I will spare you the particulars.</p><p></p><p>There may be a "truth" to this manipulation of facts but it is not the real truth.</p><p></p><p>When I was 21 through 23, I used meth in the form of "uppers" or "bennies" which were openly sold where I worked as a waitress; on a couple of occasions I used psychedelics; I used "downers" which I loved. I was twice arrested. I participated in student riots and I have an FBI file, I guess from that.</p><p></p><p>I went to parties with Hells Angels where I drank "punch" laced with all manner of drugs and spent days in a drug-fueled haze of angry rage. I stumbled into an orgy (and backed out). I aided the cover-up of a felony crime which I realized many years later, made me an accessory. I hung out with drug dealers and went with them in cars to make pick ups and drops. While I did not participate in a general sense I should have "known" what was happening, and would have been held responsible had we been apprehended. I drank heavily, like 4 to 6 hard liquor drinks sitting at bars, most nights. And then I drove.</p><p></p><p>Please do not judge me. I am proud of none of it.</p><p></p><p>My parents were indifferent. Actually, I drank at bars with my father.</p><p></p><p>All of this lifestyle I was exposed to because I was a self-supporting student at a major university. I paid for all costs, my rent, food, car and all other expenses.</p><p></p><p>On the surface "I looked like" I was on the fast track.</p><p></p><p>While it may look like I was partying, I was not. I was lost.</p><p></p><p>I did not come of age, apparently, with the capacity to make sure I was safe, treating myself with dignity and self-respect. That, I am still learning.</p><p></p><p>I think our young people many of them are working out deep contradictions in their lives (as I was) which they do not understand. For ksm's daughters both parents have or had serious drug habits and their mother continues to live this lifestyle. They were in foster care, not always a picnic. While they were adopted, and are deeply loved, they may well feel as if they were abandoned by one or both parents.</p><p></p><p>My son has a similar background. Many other kids, here, do as well. I am thinking here of pigless' and lil's children whose fathers have killed themselves. Even if there was not direct experience of these relationships the children know on the deepest level what happened and they experience it and work it out in relation to their own lives. Even to the extent of repeating it not through a deterministic "genetic" impulse but to make sense of their lives and who they are; Not necessarily with the intention of harming themselves, but to work it through and work it out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 708389, member: 18958"] I do not think "all" of us were better at this age. I am a doctor, now collecting social security. I could say (and do, in relation to my own son, because I am a hypocrite) that I was better except at least, I omit the word "better" but to my shame it is implied. I will spare you the particulars. There may be a "truth" to this manipulation of facts but it is not the real truth. When I was 21 through 23, I used meth in the form of "uppers" or "bennies" which were openly sold where I worked as a waitress; on a couple of occasions I used psychedelics; I used "downers" which I loved. I was twice arrested. I participated in student riots and I have an FBI file, I guess from that. I went to parties with Hells Angels where I drank "punch" laced with all manner of drugs and spent days in a drug-fueled haze of angry rage. I stumbled into an orgy (and backed out). I aided the cover-up of a felony crime which I realized many years later, made me an accessory. I hung out with drug dealers and went with them in cars to make pick ups and drops. While I did not participate in a general sense I should have "known" what was happening, and would have been held responsible had we been apprehended. I drank heavily, like 4 to 6 hard liquor drinks sitting at bars, most nights. And then I drove. Please do not judge me. I am proud of none of it. My parents were indifferent. Actually, I drank at bars with my father. All of this lifestyle I was exposed to because I was a self-supporting student at a major university. I paid for all costs, my rent, food, car and all other expenses. On the surface "I looked like" I was on the fast track. While it may look like I was partying, I was not. I was lost. I did not come of age, apparently, with the capacity to make sure I was safe, treating myself with dignity and self-respect. That, I am still learning. I think our young people many of them are working out deep contradictions in their lives (as I was) which they do not understand. For ksm's daughters both parents have or had serious drug habits and their mother continues to live this lifestyle. They were in foster care, not always a picnic. While they were adopted, and are deeply loved, they may well feel as if they were abandoned by one or both parents. My son has a similar background. Many other kids, here, do as well. I am thinking here of pigless' and lil's children whose fathers have killed themselves. Even if there was not direct experience of these relationships the children know on the deepest level what happened and they experience it and work it out in relation to their own lives. Even to the extent of repeating it not through a deterministic "genetic" impulse but to make sense of their lives and who they are; Not necessarily with the intention of harming themselves, but to work it through and work it out. [/QUOTE]
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