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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jabberwockey" data-source="post: 723067" data-attributes="member: 18238"><p>In the end, the answer to all of these questions is "It depends.".  It depends on how far and hard your child pushes it, how long it takes for them to hit rock bottom, how much you're willing to put up with.  The one thing that we must all remember in this struggle is that there is no magic pill, no magic program, no magic whatever that will fix this.  Only time will tell if we're doing the right thing for our children and its painful to wait to see if that seed germinates years down the road yet all the while our children are doing their damndest to implode their lives and do as much damage to us as they can in the process.</p></blockquote><p></p>