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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 746158" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>The medical professionals don't necessarily know sometimes, and if they do they are constrained by worries about liability. Or their preference is for the "party line" which they believe is should be aligned to patients' interests... </p><p></p><p>I go to a nutritionist who is also a Physician's Assistant, for all intents and purposes, functioning as a physician. I like her very much and I trust her. I have gone to her 3 or 4 years.</p><p></p><p>To lose weight she gave me a diet with about 1700 calories. Which I tried for months. Without results. I did not gain, but I did not lose either. Despite that she did not adjust the food plan down. While she did not say so aggressively the presumption was non-compliance on my part. These medical professionals often have it in their head what is "correct," which in her case is the standard diet for diabetics, (I am not diabetic), and that is what "should" work. And if it does not work there is operator error or (self?) deception on the part of the individual.</p><p></p><p>I continued to go to her but I relied upon my own devices to come up with something that would work for me. My experience is the same as Elsi's. My grandmother and mother were like Elsi's mom. Both were small women. Each of them arrived at very rigid eating regimens. Their motivation was health and well-being. They knew exactly what went in their mouths at specific times of the day. While there was room for pleasure and some variability, in the main they ate the same thing EVERY day to maintain their weight, and that was VERY little. </p><p></p><p>My grandmother did not eat breakfast. Her lunch was ALWAYS a piece of toast with jam, a piece of cheddar cheese, a boiled egg, and coffee with hot milk. She liked these foods. She might or might not have an apple as a mid afternoon snack. Her dinner was a huge salad, maybe 3 quarts, a very tiny piece of meat, and that was it. She might have a small serving of ice cream or a small piece of dark chocolate. And that was how she ate. As I look at this, this seems like 800 to 900 calories. </p><p></p><p>My mother had cereal and milk and a small banana for breakfast, a slice of wheat bread with peanut butter for lunch, and before dinner, a beer or glass of wine, and then cooked vegetables, sometimes a small baked potato, a small piece of fish or chicken, and a small salad. If she wanted at night she'd have a couple of pepperridge farms cookies. This also seems to me to be around 900 calories.</p><p></p><p>I think these women intuitively each hit on a formula where they felt good, had a sense of control, and got pleasure from food by occasional indulgence. Neither of them used internet or were guided by anything other than their own bodies and minds.</p><p></p><p>As I think about it SWOT. Both women did what you did. Gave themselves healthy foods that appealed to them. </p><p></p><p>In my own case I kept trying the diet the nutritionist gave me. Even with 5 to 10 hours of exercise a week, it did not work for me. What worked for me was intermittent fasting, and low carb. Period. And then even with that I hit a wall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 746158, member: 18958"] The medical professionals don't necessarily know sometimes, and if they do they are constrained by worries about liability. Or their preference is for the "party line" which they believe is should be aligned to patients' interests... I go to a nutritionist who is also a Physician's Assistant, for all intents and purposes, functioning as a physician. I like her very much and I trust her. I have gone to her 3 or 4 years. To lose weight she gave me a diet with about 1700 calories. Which I tried for months. Without results. I did not gain, but I did not lose either. Despite that she did not adjust the food plan down. While she did not say so aggressively the presumption was non-compliance on my part. These medical professionals often have it in their head what is "correct," which in her case is the standard diet for diabetics, (I am not diabetic), and that is what "should" work. And if it does not work there is operator error or (self?) deception on the part of the individual. I continued to go to her but I relied upon my own devices to come up with something that would work for me. My experience is the same as Elsi's. My grandmother and mother were like Elsi's mom. Both were small women. Each of them arrived at very rigid eating regimens. Their motivation was health and well-being. They knew exactly what went in their mouths at specific times of the day. While there was room for pleasure and some variability, in the main they ate the same thing EVERY day to maintain their weight, and that was VERY little. My grandmother did not eat breakfast. Her lunch was ALWAYS a piece of toast with jam, a piece of cheddar cheese, a boiled egg, and coffee with hot milk. She liked these foods. She might or might not have an apple as a mid afternoon snack. Her dinner was a huge salad, maybe 3 quarts, a very tiny piece of meat, and that was it. She might have a small serving of ice cream or a small piece of dark chocolate. And that was how she ate. As I look at this, this seems like 800 to 900 calories. My mother had cereal and milk and a small banana for breakfast, a slice of wheat bread with peanut butter for lunch, and before dinner, a beer or glass of wine, and then cooked vegetables, sometimes a small baked potato, a small piece of fish or chicken, and a small salad. If she wanted at night she'd have a couple of pepperridge farms cookies. This also seems to me to be around 900 calories. I think these women intuitively each hit on a formula where they felt good, had a sense of control, and got pleasure from food by occasional indulgence. Neither of them used internet or were guided by anything other than their own bodies and minds. As I think about it SWOT. Both women did what you did. Gave themselves healthy foods that appealed to them. In my own case I kept trying the diet the nutritionist gave me. Even with 5 to 10 hours of exercise a week, it did not work for me. What worked for me was intermittent fasting, and low carb. Period. And then even with that I hit a wall. [/QUOTE]
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