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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 747267" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>Two of the adult children on this site within the past few months completed year long (more or less) faith based programs. RN's son was one of them. One young man here completed Victory Outreach, which is a faith based program. He used heroin and now he is a sniper in the marine corps.</p><p></p><p>Because of these experiences, in large part, I pushed my son to look into two that are in my area. One is Teen Challenge. The other was Salvation Army. He was interested in neither one. He said Teen Challenge is something like "Apostles of Christ." He rejected this out of hand. I think he meant it is stringent. The other, Salvation Army, he went to visit, and hated it. I believe Salvation Army is less stringent.</p><p></p><p>That said, I believe the programs vary in how hard core they are. I think they may be open to anybody of any faith, expressly because they seek to convert their candidates. There is the fundamental belief that faith heals that I think is the foundation of a faith-based program. They see the addiction as the affliction that breaks down resistance to the love of G-d.</p><p></p><p>In the cases where these kids went to these programs, I think they were under extreme pressure. Either facing criminal pressures, parental pressure, etc. I do not think there is a way to pressure another adult to accept this, without a great deal of leverage. And even then, when the leverage is over, the compliance may end.</p><p></p><p>I think that 12 step groups can be very effective, but even here, many members are mandated by the courts, their work, etc. The nature of addiction the 12 step programs teach, is to be powerless to stop. So it makes sense that people have to many times be dragged there kicking and screaming. And as parents, we don't have that kind of power typically.</p><p></p><p>I think that in retrospect I put too much energy and emotion into solving things for my son, finding options, etc. when he was not at all interested. I have reached the point now where I really get,<em> you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p>There is not one thing I can do for my son to make him stop. All I can do is to stop it in my home or near me, by setting boundaries. I am finally reaching the point where so many other mothers and fathers arrived, where I face that he can likely die in the street or of a mortal disease. I cannot stop him. The only person who can is my son.</p><p></p><p>That said, I might give my son the names of the programs, if that is what you decide to do. Either he goes or he doesn't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 747267, member: 18958"] Two of the adult children on this site within the past few months completed year long (more or less) faith based programs. RN's son was one of them. One young man here completed Victory Outreach, which is a faith based program. He used heroin and now he is a sniper in the marine corps. Because of these experiences, in large part, I pushed my son to look into two that are in my area. One is Teen Challenge. The other was Salvation Army. He was interested in neither one. He said Teen Challenge is something like "Apostles of Christ." He rejected this out of hand. I think he meant it is stringent. The other, Salvation Army, he went to visit, and hated it. I believe Salvation Army is less stringent. That said, I believe the programs vary in how hard core they are. I think they may be open to anybody of any faith, expressly because they seek to convert their candidates. There is the fundamental belief that faith heals that I think is the foundation of a faith-based program. They see the addiction as the affliction that breaks down resistance to the love of G-d. In the cases where these kids went to these programs, I think they were under extreme pressure. Either facing criminal pressures, parental pressure, etc. I do not think there is a way to pressure another adult to accept this, without a great deal of leverage. And even then, when the leverage is over, the compliance may end. I think that 12 step groups can be very effective, but even here, many members are mandated by the courts, their work, etc. The nature of addiction the 12 step programs teach, is to be powerless to stop. So it makes sense that people have to many times be dragged there kicking and screaming. And as parents, we don't have that kind of power typically. I think that in retrospect I put too much energy and emotion into solving things for my son, finding options, etc. when he was not at all interested. I have reached the point now where I really get,[I] you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. [/I] There is not one thing I can do for my son to make him stop. All I can do is to stop it in my home or near me, by setting boundaries. I am finally reaching the point where so many other mothers and fathers arrived, where I face that he can likely die in the street or of a mortal disease. I cannot stop him. The only person who can is my son. That said, I might give my son the names of the programs, if that is what you decide to do. Either he goes or he doesn't. [/QUOTE]
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