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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 663201" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Ok. I hadn't read this part yet. I just finished a book written by a schizophrenic who is stable and has a high level degree. She explained why the police often turn away schizophrenics and other psychotic people. by the way, he DOES need to get diagnosed. A psychiatrist should see the symptoms unless he hides them and lies and says he doesn't hallucinate, which some are good at doing for short periods of time.</p><p></p><p>There is no law against being schizophrenic or psychotic. The psychotic have Civil Rights. I think it's more insane than anyone who has schizophrenia that somebody who is paranoid and won't take his medications because he is sure that the medications are poisened and that even his family is part of the CIA and out to kill him have the ability to turn down being treated, but that's the law. You can not treat anyone for mental illness, even if they have voices telling them they are going to be killed by the doctors and to not comply, unless the person says it's ok to treat them OR if they are ACTIVELY homicidal or suicidal when the police see them. This is the law. The police officer can't do anything for a sick man talking to himself. He CAN arrest him for disturbing the peace if he screams in the street or for assault if he thinks somebody is pulling a gun on him and jumps the innocent man who really doesn't have a gun at all (but patient hallucinated that he did). This is outside of their hands.</p><p></p><p>Nothing can be done for the very severely mentally ill who are too dangerous to live at home, but too sick to consent to treatment. And that is the sad long and short of it. They can't be forced to take medication. They can't be forced to get help again...unless they are deemed an active threat to harm themselves or somebody else.</p><p></p><p>This is a result of the old laws that held mentally ill people in chains in places like Bellvue for their entire lives and gave them horrible treatment against their wills. We have gone entirely the other way and I'm not sure it's much better. Many end up homeless and alone, wandering the streets and hallucinating. But some DO manage to get lucky and get help.</p><p></p><p>The best way you can get your child help is to convince him to admit him to a psychiatric ward voluntarily and be willing to sign himself in. He will be given medication right away and probably start becoming more rational fast so that he can realize he is sick and needs help.</p><p></p><p>Never lose faith.</p><p></p><p>Crossing fingers for you. Very sad situation. I'm so sorry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 663201, member: 1550"] Ok. I hadn't read this part yet. I just finished a book written by a schizophrenic who is stable and has a high level degree. She explained why the police often turn away schizophrenics and other psychotic people. by the way, he DOES need to get diagnosed. A psychiatrist should see the symptoms unless he hides them and lies and says he doesn't hallucinate, which some are good at doing for short periods of time. There is no law against being schizophrenic or psychotic. The psychotic have Civil Rights. I think it's more insane than anyone who has schizophrenia that somebody who is paranoid and won't take his medications because he is sure that the medications are poisened and that even his family is part of the CIA and out to kill him have the ability to turn down being treated, but that's the law. You can not treat anyone for mental illness, even if they have voices telling them they are going to be killed by the doctors and to not comply, unless the person says it's ok to treat them OR if they are ACTIVELY homicidal or suicidal when the police see them. This is the law. The police officer can't do anything for a sick man talking to himself. He CAN arrest him for disturbing the peace if he screams in the street or for assault if he thinks somebody is pulling a gun on him and jumps the innocent man who really doesn't have a gun at all (but patient hallucinated that he did). This is outside of their hands. Nothing can be done for the very severely mentally ill who are too dangerous to live at home, but too sick to consent to treatment. And that is the sad long and short of it. They can't be forced to take medication. They can't be forced to get help again...unless they are deemed an active threat to harm themselves or somebody else. This is a result of the old laws that held mentally ill people in chains in places like Bellvue for their entire lives and gave them horrible treatment against their wills. We have gone entirely the other way and I'm not sure it's much better. Many end up homeless and alone, wandering the streets and hallucinating. But some DO manage to get lucky and get help. The best way you can get your child help is to convince him to admit him to a psychiatric ward voluntarily and be willing to sign himself in. He will be given medication right away and probably start becoming more rational fast so that he can realize he is sick and needs help. Never lose faith. Crossing fingers for you. Very sad situation. I'm so sorry. [/QUOTE]
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