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<blockquote data-quote="SuZir" data-source="post: 653044" data-attributes="member: 14557"><p>In our society the next step is starting to shut doors in front of person like that. Nowadays 'doors' in sense of opportunities, in old times (and society really do not change that fast, values, cultural modus operandis are way older than we think) they were actual doors, not letting person like that in. Not letting them have an opportunity to bring more harm to us. This continues door by door until the person starts to show remorse or there are no more doors to knock. Old times that would had meant banishment from the village, from the society and very possible death by elements. Nowadays banishment tends to be voluntary and they tend to end up to Thailand (warm, sunny, cheap to live on, lots of western tourists to con.)</p><p></p><p>Or if they choose to stay, we give them flat and enough money for food and big tv and video game system and hope they are too lazy to do anything, because they have showed they are not going to do anything worthy any way. (This is way cheaper for tax payers than housing them to prisons by the way.)</p><p></p><p>Guys like the one I described tend to end up with first option. More common incorrigible criminals tend to end up with second option.</p><p></p><p>Of course the guy I have been talking about has not been even charged with any crime, may never be (there may be enough loopholes in legislation) so can't call him a criminal. I can call him an ar**hole, though. And this kind of publicity is likely to start shutting doors from him in media and sports fields even though he still has friends in many places.</p><p></p><p>Of course option of correcting yourself is always there. We have very few official limits for people based on their former behaviour. We do not have a concept of felony, even people serving those life sentences do not lose their rights, like right to vote. Your criminal record is swept clean 5 or 10 years after your last sentence if it was not a life sentence. You do not even get criminal record if you do not get prison sentence. Only type of jobs that may be out of the limits for you for lesser crimes are police, military, commercial pilots and things to do with national security. Even criminal record doesn't make a difference for your job hunting or being accepted to any school except if you are looking to work with children and you have certain type of convictions. For white collar crimes you may get a ban to work in certain positions for certain time. But if one actually wants to, there is always a possibility to have a second chance. To start over. Your reputation will take much longer time to heal. It will take time before people start to trust you, but to actually be able to function in society, to work and so on. That is easy if one just wants that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuZir, post: 653044, member: 14557"] In our society the next step is starting to shut doors in front of person like that. Nowadays 'doors' in sense of opportunities, in old times (and society really do not change that fast, values, cultural modus operandis are way older than we think) they were actual doors, not letting person like that in. Not letting them have an opportunity to bring more harm to us. This continues door by door until the person starts to show remorse or there are no more doors to knock. Old times that would had meant banishment from the village, from the society and very possible death by elements. Nowadays banishment tends to be voluntary and they tend to end up to Thailand (warm, sunny, cheap to live on, lots of western tourists to con.) Or if they choose to stay, we give them flat and enough money for food and big tv and video game system and hope they are too lazy to do anything, because they have showed they are not going to do anything worthy any way. (This is way cheaper for tax payers than housing them to prisons by the way.) Guys like the one I described tend to end up with first option. More common incorrigible criminals tend to end up with second option. Of course the guy I have been talking about has not been even charged with any crime, may never be (there may be enough loopholes in legislation) so can't call him a criminal. I can call him an ar**hole, though. And this kind of publicity is likely to start shutting doors from him in media and sports fields even though he still has friends in many places. Of course option of correcting yourself is always there. We have very few official limits for people based on their former behaviour. We do not have a concept of felony, even people serving those life sentences do not lose their rights, like right to vote. Your criminal record is swept clean 5 or 10 years after your last sentence if it was not a life sentence. You do not even get criminal record if you do not get prison sentence. Only type of jobs that may be out of the limits for you for lesser crimes are police, military, commercial pilots and things to do with national security. Even criminal record doesn't make a difference for your job hunting or being accepted to any school except if you are looking to work with children and you have certain type of convictions. For white collar crimes you may get a ban to work in certain positions for certain time. But if one actually wants to, there is always a possibility to have a second chance. To start over. Your reputation will take much longer time to heal. It will take time before people start to trust you, but to actually be able to function in society, to work and so on. That is easy if one just wants that. [/QUOTE]
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