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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 689044" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>As a view from the other side, because of my disabilities, I've been fired maybe 50 times. This was before disability laws. Now you just don't get hired in the first place. Companies want to train as little as possible and people like me need a much longer time to catch on, although I never called in sick, always tried hard and was willing to do any type of work asked of me, even cleaning toilets. </p><p></p><p>No boss ever said I didn't try hard or I had a bad attitude and for the most part I took jobs nobody else wanted, that paid minimum wage. These jobs ranged from care places to nursery schools to regular offices to factory work.</p><p></p><p>I never got one days notice or a warning that I should look for something else. They smiled falsely at me until the end, which was almost always a Friday afternoon so I had the entire weekend to cry and think about how stupid I am but I couldn't go to my therapist or look for another job.</p><p></p><p>I still work hard, but I have learned that, when it comes to companies, they will dismiss you like a squashed rat in the road and then try to get out of paying unemployment.</p><p></p><p>I have no loyalty to any company anymore. I see no reason to treat them differently than I was treated when I was fired so many times. They don't care about me. I stopped caring about them. As for the clients, I would care...but it is the responsibility of those at the top to figure out how to handle short staff. Most care places don't or can't pay much so there is something huge turnover rate. It's not a good economy.</p><p></p><p>If someone gets a better job for them and wants to start it right away, with the way workers are treated....I may not do the same but I get it. B TW for the few jobs where I wasn't fired but had to quit they got one weeks notice.big think that's more fair than how they fire people. It is uncomfortable to be there in many cases after you quit.</p><p></p><p>If I quit and, knowing I will be treated badly after quitting for those two weeks (I have done this too) I would not feel badly walking out with no notice. If it were the other way around, they wouldn't give me an hour's notice.</p><p></p><p>And I was always low guy on the pay scale.</p><p></p><p>To me, due to what I've seen, it is up to those who make a lot more than me to figure it out, just like it was up to me to figure it out when I was fired in deliberately deceitful ways.</p><p></p><p>Notice should go two ways. Lower end workers get no severance pay and instantly lose their benefits most of the time or have to pay more than low end workers have to keep benefits for a while.</p><p></p><p>Companies can and do fire hard workers with no care and notice, why should we do the "right" thing? They don't. GNs story doesn't surprise me at all. Imagine how her company would have treated a low wage earner. I know how.</p><p></p><p>Also, if you want people to do hard jobs, pay them more. I currently work at a non-profit and everyone but the managers, who often know less than longer term workers, get paid a bit over minimum wage. The turnover rate us insane. Most people leave when they find jobs that pay better. McDonald's pays better. It's a job for many that is a compromise job until a better one comes around.</p><p></p><p>Some give notice. Someone do not.</p><p></p><p>They fired one lovely manager who had been there many years without giving her any warning, notice or severance. I still talk to her. She left the place sobbing, poor lady. Just because my place of work is a help organization, they display no compassion when they fire somebody. And no notice. This needs to stop or the walking out without notice will continue.</p><p></p><p>I like how they hire in some European countries...both parties sign contracts and they both have accountability.</p><p></p><p>Ponytail. I'm sorry it is hard and because of who your clients are, if I worked there and wanted to quit, I would give notice. But it may have only been a week.</p><p></p><p>Workers have few to no rights here. Companies can fire most workers at will, then fight paying what we pay into and should all get in my opinion. Unemployment...I've had to fight for mine many times.</p><p></p><p>Things have to go both ways for many workers to care if they put an employer in a bind. Why is it ok for this to only be on the employee while the employer can do what he likes?</p><p></p><p>Just food for thought. Have a great day!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 689044, member: 1550"] As a view from the other side, because of my disabilities, I've been fired maybe 50 times. This was before disability laws. Now you just don't get hired in the first place. Companies want to train as little as possible and people like me need a much longer time to catch on, although I never called in sick, always tried hard and was willing to do any type of work asked of me, even cleaning toilets. No boss ever said I didn't try hard or I had a bad attitude and for the most part I took jobs nobody else wanted, that paid minimum wage. These jobs ranged from care places to nursery schools to regular offices to factory work. I never got one days notice or a warning that I should look for something else. They smiled falsely at me until the end, which was almost always a Friday afternoon so I had the entire weekend to cry and think about how stupid I am but I couldn't go to my therapist or look for another job. I still work hard, but I have learned that, when it comes to companies, they will dismiss you like a squashed rat in the road and then try to get out of paying unemployment. I have no loyalty to any company anymore. I see no reason to treat them differently than I was treated when I was fired so many times. They don't care about me. I stopped caring about them. As for the clients, I would care...but it is the responsibility of those at the top to figure out how to handle short staff. Most care places don't or can't pay much so there is something huge turnover rate. It's not a good economy. If someone gets a better job for them and wants to start it right away, with the way workers are treated....I may not do the same but I get it. B TW for the few jobs where I wasn't fired but had to quit they got one weeks notice.big think that's more fair than how they fire people. It is uncomfortable to be there in many cases after you quit. If I quit and, knowing I will be treated badly after quitting for those two weeks (I have done this too) I would not feel badly walking out with no notice. If it were the other way around, they wouldn't give me an hour's notice. And I was always low guy on the pay scale. To me, due to what I've seen, it is up to those who make a lot more than me to figure it out, just like it was up to me to figure it out when I was fired in deliberately deceitful ways. Notice should go two ways. Lower end workers get no severance pay and instantly lose their benefits most of the time or have to pay more than low end workers have to keep benefits for a while. Companies can and do fire hard workers with no care and notice, why should we do the "right" thing? They don't. GNs story doesn't surprise me at all. Imagine how her company would have treated a low wage earner. I know how. Also, if you want people to do hard jobs, pay them more. I currently work at a non-profit and everyone but the managers, who often know less than longer term workers, get paid a bit over minimum wage. The turnover rate us insane. Most people leave when they find jobs that pay better. McDonald's pays better. It's a job for many that is a compromise job until a better one comes around. Some give notice. Someone do not. They fired one lovely manager who had been there many years without giving her any warning, notice or severance. I still talk to her. She left the place sobbing, poor lady. Just because my place of work is a help organization, they display no compassion when they fire somebody. And no notice. This needs to stop or the walking out without notice will continue. I like how they hire in some European countries...both parties sign contracts and they both have accountability. Ponytail. I'm sorry it is hard and because of who your clients are, if I worked there and wanted to quit, I would give notice. But it may have only been a week. Workers have few to no rights here. Companies can fire most workers at will, then fight paying what we pay into and should all get in my opinion. Unemployment...I've had to fight for mine many times. Things have to go both ways for many workers to care if they put an employer in a bind. Why is it ok for this to only be on the employee while the employer can do what he likes? Just food for thought. Have a great day!!! [/QUOTE]
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