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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 635548" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>I am very interested in psychiatric disorders because myself and my genetic family on both sides have been riddled with them so I study anything I can about them. Take this as a fact. If he is schizophrenic, he can not control what he does, even if he knows he has hallucinations. Not with schizophrenia. Psychotic depression...which is a seperate disorder...you do know they are hallucinations. I had one delusional depression and I was not sure I was delusional, but a part of me did know it. It didn't make me act normal though. I felt I had to whisper so that the people listening to me outside my house couldn't hear me. That only happened to me once (at age 13), but I still remember it. Weird! I've had many depressive episodes since then, and not delusional. Digressing..</p><p></p><p>Schizophrenia, which often is not diagnosed until the hallucinations get so bad that it can't be denied, do affect the ability to function and cause cognitive impairment. I don't know what you are dealing with or if your son really does not have hallucinations anymore. They likely will not go away forever. Even medications are effective for only some symptoms and often the voices remain. Listen to some people talking about their schizophrenic experience on YouTube. It is eye-opening. I had no idea it was that bad.</p><p></p><p>My advice, being a little more aware of mental illness than some, is not to just throw him out. He is very sick. He isn't sick with something he can cure himself. He is sick with something that makes him irrational. I would definitely not want to live with him. I'd look for assisted living or group homes. Then if he walks out of them, which many psychotics do because they feel they are being watched or their minds are being read or they just can't handle the people, there is no more you can do. Our mental health system does not protect the mentally ill. To me, as one who suffers, it is insane (no pun intended) to give the psychotic "civil rights" to refuse treatment that they may think is the FBI trying to kill them for their powers to read into the minds of others or whatever their hallucinations/delusions are. But it is what it is. Even psychotic folks in our country have "rights."</p><p></p><p>You do not have an easy rode to walk, but I definitely would not take his rantings to heart. It is one thing to have delusions/hallucinations due to your own self-inflicted drug abuse. It is another to have them because of your mind's betrayal. Atlhough I have never had psychosis (that one episode was the most extreme and years ago), I do have the ability to comply with my treatment plan as mood disorders can be managed well in many cases (not all). But schizophrenia is far more serious than any other mental illness. Any form of psychosis takes you out of reality and we, as people who do not have those symptoms, can not guess how much it affects the other person. Often psychotic individuals try very hard to hide their symptoms so that people will not think they are freaks. Yet, when push comes to shove, they can not function with voices and fake visions that seem real to them and are flooding their brains without respite.</p><p></p><p>What you choose to do and how you choose to see this young adult is your decision. I am probably considered a real hard a*** on this forum because I totally believe tough love is the best answer to addiction or personality disordered behavior. But I don't think it is fair to apply the same treatment to those who truly have serious mental illness and may not even be able to take their medication because the voices tell them it's poison. I would not expect a psychotic child of mine to be able to make it on his/her own and I would diligently find the best support I could and the best help. This is not the type of adult child I would expect could live on his own in his own apartment and remember to or be able to take his medications and recall appointments and how to get there. They simply aren't rational; not deep inside. Sometimes, though, they can act out dangerously if they get paranoid, which is why I wouldn't want them at home.</p><p></p><p>In my family of origin, we are riddled with mood disorders, severe anxiety and panic, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), depersonalization/derealization and, worse, personality disorders. Nobody has had schizophrenia. I think schizophrenia is like living in a waking nightmare from the simulations of hallucinations that I've seen. I feel lucky that I am sane and can control my disorder. But I don't believe psychotic individuals are capable of caring for themselves without a lot of support. So there's my two cents. Take what you feel is helpful and leave the rest.</p><p></p><p>Have a good day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 635548, member: 1550"] I am very interested in psychiatric disorders because myself and my genetic family on both sides have been riddled with them so I study anything I can about them. Take this as a fact. If he is schizophrenic, he can not control what he does, even if he knows he has hallucinations. Not with schizophrenia. Psychotic depression...which is a seperate disorder...you do know they are hallucinations. I had one delusional depression and I was not sure I was delusional, but a part of me did know it. It didn't make me act normal though. I felt I had to whisper so that the people listening to me outside my house couldn't hear me. That only happened to me once (at age 13), but I still remember it. Weird! I've had many depressive episodes since then, and not delusional. Digressing.. Schizophrenia, which often is not diagnosed until the hallucinations get so bad that it can't be denied, do affect the ability to function and cause cognitive impairment. I don't know what you are dealing with or if your son really does not have hallucinations anymore. They likely will not go away forever. Even medications are effective for only some symptoms and often the voices remain. Listen to some people talking about their schizophrenic experience on YouTube. It is eye-opening. I had no idea it was that bad. My advice, being a little more aware of mental illness than some, is not to just throw him out. He is very sick. He isn't sick with something he can cure himself. He is sick with something that makes him irrational. I would definitely not want to live with him. I'd look for assisted living or group homes. Then if he walks out of them, which many psychotics do because they feel they are being watched or their minds are being read or they just can't handle the people, there is no more you can do. Our mental health system does not protect the mentally ill. To me, as one who suffers, it is insane (no pun intended) to give the psychotic "civil rights" to refuse treatment that they may think is the FBI trying to kill them for their powers to read into the minds of others or whatever their hallucinations/delusions are. But it is what it is. Even psychotic folks in our country have "rights." You do not have an easy rode to walk, but I definitely would not take his rantings to heart. It is one thing to have delusions/hallucinations due to your own self-inflicted drug abuse. It is another to have them because of your mind's betrayal. Atlhough I have never had psychosis (that one episode was the most extreme and years ago), I do have the ability to comply with my treatment plan as mood disorders can be managed well in many cases (not all). But schizophrenia is far more serious than any other mental illness. Any form of psychosis takes you out of reality and we, as people who do not have those symptoms, can not guess how much it affects the other person. Often psychotic individuals try very hard to hide their symptoms so that people will not think they are freaks. Yet, when push comes to shove, they can not function with voices and fake visions that seem real to them and are flooding their brains without respite. What you choose to do and how you choose to see this young adult is your decision. I am probably considered a real hard a*** on this forum because I totally believe tough love is the best answer to addiction or personality disordered behavior. But I don't think it is fair to apply the same treatment to those who truly have serious mental illness and may not even be able to take their medication because the voices tell them it's poison. I would not expect a psychotic child of mine to be able to make it on his/her own and I would diligently find the best support I could and the best help. This is not the type of adult child I would expect could live on his own in his own apartment and remember to or be able to take his medications and recall appointments and how to get there. They simply aren't rational; not deep inside. Sometimes, though, they can act out dangerously if they get paranoid, which is why I wouldn't want them at home. In my family of origin, we are riddled with mood disorders, severe anxiety and panic, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), depersonalization/derealization and, worse, personality disorders. Nobody has had schizophrenia. I think schizophrenia is like living in a waking nightmare from the simulations of hallucinations that I've seen. I feel lucky that I am sane and can control my disorder. But I don't believe psychotic individuals are capable of caring for themselves without a lot of support. So there's my two cents. Take what you feel is helpful and leave the rest. Have a good day. [/QUOTE]
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