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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 400251" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>I can't speak for the US, but I remember what my friend went through to get her husband physically into a locked psychiatric ward. First they had to meet up with him long enough to evaluate him (and he was not cooperative) and then, IF they were able to get enough justification to certify him, they had to physically restrain him and get him there. And all this, while he was making very public and very specific threats ("I am going to kill you all; I will find your car and put a bomb in it to blow you up"). Even then, it took months before her husband was finally getting help.</p><p></p><p>As I said - human rights often clashes on this issue. You have, on one hand, the right to be safe. And on the other hand, the individual has the right to refuse treatment.</p><p></p><p>Someone who is psychotic should not, in my opinion, have full rights to refuse treatment while they are psychotic. Especially not if they are demonstrably a danger to themselves or others. But how do you prove that the person you just dragged off and locked up for treatment, was actually having a psychotic episode? it is too easy to get it wrong.</p><p></p><p>We had a few cases here in Australia, linked to our immigration department. In both cases a woman who was unable to make herself understood, was deported (or placed ready for deportation) despite being an Australian citizen. One woman, Cornelia Rau, was actually having a psychotic break I believe which led to her incarceration in a detention centre (with no medical treatment). She was there a long time. The other woman was recovering from a car accident, and spent a couple of years out of the country until she was well enough to say, "Why am I here?"</p><p></p><p>Authorities remember such cases and are increasingly reluctant to risk infringing individual human rights.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 400251, member: 1991"] I can't speak for the US, but I remember what my friend went through to get her husband physically into a locked psychiatric ward. First they had to meet up with him long enough to evaluate him (and he was not cooperative) and then, IF they were able to get enough justification to certify him, they had to physically restrain him and get him there. And all this, while he was making very public and very specific threats ("I am going to kill you all; I will find your car and put a bomb in it to blow you up"). Even then, it took months before her husband was finally getting help. As I said - human rights often clashes on this issue. You have, on one hand, the right to be safe. And on the other hand, the individual has the right to refuse treatment. Someone who is psychotic should not, in my opinion, have full rights to refuse treatment while they are psychotic. Especially not if they are demonstrably a danger to themselves or others. But how do you prove that the person you just dragged off and locked up for treatment, was actually having a psychotic episode? it is too easy to get it wrong. We had a few cases here in Australia, linked to our immigration department. In both cases a woman who was unable to make herself understood, was deported (or placed ready for deportation) despite being an Australian citizen. One woman, Cornelia Rau, was actually having a psychotic break I believe which led to her incarceration in a detention centre (with no medical treatment). She was there a long time. The other woman was recovering from a car accident, and spent a couple of years out of the country until she was well enough to say, "Why am I here?" Authorities remember such cases and are increasingly reluctant to risk infringing individual human rights. Marg [/QUOTE]
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