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<blockquote data-quote="Mikey" data-source="post: 144261" data-attributes="member: 3579"><p>NOLA - Do you know for sure if your son's taking the stuff? It's easy to spot, since every brand I've ever seen has "CREATINE" in big, bold letters across the front. It's usually sold in plastic bottles that look like big, plastic peanut butter jars; usually 1 to 3 pound containers, so they're hard to hide unless you really try - and who does? It's a legal and accepted (if somewhat dubious) "health" supplement. It's a white powder, almost the consistancy of sugar (only lighter). </p><p></p><p>Was his level abnormally high or low? It takes several days for Creatine (the supplement) to be metabolized into Creatinine, and then excreted. Usually, like with McWeedy's two dirty UA's, it was an abnormally <strong>low</strong> Creatinine level that caused them to judge the samples as "diluted". Just goes to show that smokin' da herb screws your mind, since he obviously wasn't taking it right (or enough of it) to work, and got busted.</p><p></p><p>For your son to have anormally <em>high</em> levels, he'd have had to be taking a whole lot of the stuff for several days, and from what I know about it that wouldn't be good. </p><p></p><p>Reminds me of the bad old days in my youth of bodybuilding. I wasn't a doper, but a lot of my friends were (steroids weren't exactly illegal back then). Most of the humungus guys "cycled". They would take a particular 'roid coctail over a period of weeks, gradually changing the type and dosage, right up to the time of competition. Funny thing, though, the way a man's body compensates for an overabundace of testosterone. The end of the "cycle" usually involved shots of HCG (growth hormone) to kickstart the family jewels into normal function again. </p><p></p><p>Drugs to go up, then drugs to come down. Or, in my son's case, drugs and booze to get high, then massive doses of another substance to hide the fact (and sometimes, as I understand it, also drugs to come down off of other drugs).</p><p></p><p>I really, really don't understand this world anymore. Sometimes, I feel like some innocent character out of Mr. Robert's Neighborhood that was suddenly brought to life and plopped down into the Tenderloin district of SanFran.</p><p></p><p>Blech.</p><p></p><p>Mikey</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mikey, post: 144261, member: 3579"] NOLA - Do you know for sure if your son's taking the stuff? It's easy to spot, since every brand I've ever seen has "CREATINE" in big, bold letters across the front. It's usually sold in plastic bottles that look like big, plastic peanut butter jars; usually 1 to 3 pound containers, so they're hard to hide unless you really try - and who does? It's a legal and accepted (if somewhat dubious) "health" supplement. It's a white powder, almost the consistancy of sugar (only lighter). Was his level abnormally high or low? It takes several days for Creatine (the supplement) to be metabolized into Creatinine, and then excreted. Usually, like with McWeedy's two dirty UA's, it was an abnormally [B]low[/B] Creatinine level that caused them to judge the samples as "diluted". Just goes to show that smokin' da herb screws your mind, since he obviously wasn't taking it right (or enough of it) to work, and got busted. For your son to have anormally [I]high[/I] levels, he'd have had to be taking a whole lot of the stuff for several days, and from what I know about it that wouldn't be good. Reminds me of the bad old days in my youth of bodybuilding. I wasn't a doper, but a lot of my friends were (steroids weren't exactly illegal back then). Most of the humungus guys "cycled". They would take a particular 'roid coctail over a period of weeks, gradually changing the type and dosage, right up to the time of competition. Funny thing, though, the way a man's body compensates for an overabundace of testosterone. The end of the "cycle" usually involved shots of HCG (growth hormone) to kickstart the family jewels into normal function again. Drugs to go up, then drugs to come down. Or, in my son's case, drugs and booze to get high, then massive doses of another substance to hide the fact (and sometimes, as I understand it, also drugs to come down off of other drugs). I really, really don't understand this world anymore. Sometimes, I feel like some innocent character out of Mr. Robert's Neighborhood that was suddenly brought to life and plopped down into the Tenderloin district of SanFran. Blech. Mikey [/QUOTE]
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