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<blockquote data-quote="Sam3" data-source="post: 718429" data-attributes="member: 19290"><p>As I was reading your posts, Albie, it so reminded me of conversations we've had with our son. The long history of deceit and manipulation, makes it impossible to take much at face value, but even those seemingly innocuous things they say you realize may be an attempt at planting seeds or testing waters. </p><p></p><p>I know I'm in a sad way because I would find it refreshing even if they would just say, "Home is better than here. I want to use again, but I can't here. I don't know anything past that. So unless we can talk about getting me out, there's no point to the visit." </p><p></p><p>I don't know, it just feels like you can be sympathetic to the addiction piece, but getting " worked" by my son makes me wonder "Who are you?" It's like they are moral aliens. And it also makes me concerned for their mental health. Do they even know what the truth is? Is it possible they're creating some kind of false reality for themselves? And if so, do they have any boundaries they will not cross?</p><p></p><p>Then I have to struggle to remember that it's part of, not on top of, the addict mindset. I've seen the whole thing turn around for my brother. He's not full blown mea culpa, but he has a dark humor about the dark times that reveals he now has insight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sam3, post: 718429, member: 19290"] As I was reading your posts, Albie, it so reminded me of conversations we've had with our son. The long history of deceit and manipulation, makes it impossible to take much at face value, but even those seemingly innocuous things they say you realize may be an attempt at planting seeds or testing waters. I know I'm in a sad way because I would find it refreshing even if they would just say, "Home is better than here. I want to use again, but I can't here. I don't know anything past that. So unless we can talk about getting me out, there's no point to the visit." I don't know, it just feels like you can be sympathetic to the addiction piece, but getting " worked" by my son makes me wonder "Who are you?" It's like they are moral aliens. And it also makes me concerned for their mental health. Do they even know what the truth is? Is it possible they're creating some kind of false reality for themselves? And if so, do they have any boundaries they will not cross? Then I have to struggle to remember that it's part of, not on top of, the addict mindset. I've seen the whole thing turn around for my brother. He's not full blown mea culpa, but he has a dark humor about the dark times that reveals he now has insight. [/QUOTE]
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