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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 235238" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>Welcome! I am glad you found us but sorry you need us!</p><p></p><p>I REALLY think there is a LOT more going on here than ODD or ADHD. It sounds like she has some very strong sensory issues, and some other things going on as well.</p><p></p><p>for the Sensory component of her problems you want to have her PRIVATELY evaluated by an Occupational Therapist (Occupational Therapist (OT)). The school will have Occupational Therapist (OT)'s. And they may be very good. But school will ONLY evaluate for how things are having an impact on academic issues. You need an Occupational Therapist (OT) who is trained in Sensory Issues and Sensory Integration Disorder (Sensory Integration Disorder (SID)). The good news is that with the sensory issues there are things you can do that are non-invasive (not medicine) and pretty easy to do. But you have to be trained to do them or there can be problems. Most specifically, you want to ask about brushing therapy - and you MUST be trained in this or there can be very serious problems. There is an author who has 2 excellent books on sensory issues. The first one is sort of the "bible" for these issues and explains what goes on in the brain as well as how some of the therapies work. It is called "The Out of Sync Child". The second one is packed with activities to do to help your child with sensory problems. It has LOTS of tips on how to make each one inexpensive (which is VERY helpful given the cost of many of the therapies our kids need!). This book is called "The Out of Sync Child Has Fun". If it were me, I would get the first book from the library (if your library doesn't have it they can problem get it through inter-library loan) and then I would invest in buying the Has Fun book. </p><p></p><p>Your child also needs a COMPLETE evaluation by either a MultiDisciplinary Team (group of docs who work together to test your child and figure out what is going on) or by a Neuropsychologist (psychologist with special training in testing and in how the brain impacts behavior). either way you are looking at several sessions of testing that last 1-3 hours each. You can find either of these things at a children's hospital or a major university teaching hospital. You may also find them with a Developmental Pediatrician. And given her early experiences with loss, screaming, etc..... you may want a developmental pediatrician on board anyway.</p><p></p><p>ODD is a garbage can diagnosis. It describes behaviors but gives absolutely NO ideas as to what causes them or how to help the child. Many of us, myself included, find that once we figure out what is going on to cause the behaviors, and we get treatment for that, then the ODD goes away.</p><p></p><p>There is a thread about a Parent Report - a report YOU compile giving all the info about yoru daughter. You can share it with the "experts" involved with your child as they need it. It is best done in several chunks rather than one long session, simply because there is so much info. Here is a link to it: <a href="http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10" target="_blank">http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10</a></p><p></p><p>You also need to send a letter to school by certified mail, return receipt requested, asking for htem to test her fully and evaluate her for an IEP. If you go to the Special Education part of the site you can find out how to draft this letter. If you just hand it to school, or just ask verbally, you do not put into place the legal protections and timelines that sending the letter by certified mail, return reciept request provides. It is IMPORTANT to send it that way.</p><p></p><p>Sending lots of support and gentle hugs!</p><p></p><p>Susie</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 235238, member: 1233"] Welcome! I am glad you found us but sorry you need us! I REALLY think there is a LOT more going on here than ODD or ADHD. It sounds like she has some very strong sensory issues, and some other things going on as well. for the Sensory component of her problems you want to have her PRIVATELY evaluated by an Occupational Therapist (Occupational Therapist (OT)). The school will have Occupational Therapist (OT)'s. And they may be very good. But school will ONLY evaluate for how things are having an impact on academic issues. You need an Occupational Therapist (OT) who is trained in Sensory Issues and Sensory Integration Disorder (Sensory Integration Disorder (SID)). The good news is that with the sensory issues there are things you can do that are non-invasive (not medicine) and pretty easy to do. But you have to be trained to do them or there can be problems. Most specifically, you want to ask about brushing therapy - and you MUST be trained in this or there can be very serious problems. There is an author who has 2 excellent books on sensory issues. The first one is sort of the "bible" for these issues and explains what goes on in the brain as well as how some of the therapies work. It is called "The Out of Sync Child". The second one is packed with activities to do to help your child with sensory problems. It has LOTS of tips on how to make each one inexpensive (which is VERY helpful given the cost of many of the therapies our kids need!). This book is called "The Out of Sync Child Has Fun". If it were me, I would get the first book from the library (if your library doesn't have it they can problem get it through inter-library loan) and then I would invest in buying the Has Fun book. Your child also needs a COMPLETE evaluation by either a MultiDisciplinary Team (group of docs who work together to test your child and figure out what is going on) or by a Neuropsychologist (psychologist with special training in testing and in how the brain impacts behavior). either way you are looking at several sessions of testing that last 1-3 hours each. You can find either of these things at a children's hospital or a major university teaching hospital. You may also find them with a Developmental Pediatrician. And given her early experiences with loss, screaming, etc..... you may want a developmental pediatrician on board anyway. ODD is a garbage can diagnosis. It describes behaviors but gives absolutely NO ideas as to what causes them or how to help the child. Many of us, myself included, find that once we figure out what is going on to cause the behaviors, and we get treatment for that, then the ODD goes away. There is a thread about a Parent Report - a report YOU compile giving all the info about yoru daughter. You can share it with the "experts" involved with your child as they need it. It is best done in several chunks rather than one long session, simply because there is so much info. Here is a link to it: [url]http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10[/url] You also need to send a letter to school by certified mail, return receipt requested, asking for htem to test her fully and evaluate her for an IEP. If you go to the Special Education part of the site you can find out how to draft this letter. If you just hand it to school, or just ask verbally, you do not put into place the legal protections and timelines that sending the letter by certified mail, return reciept request provides. It is IMPORTANT to send it that way. Sending lots of support and gentle hugs! Susie [/QUOTE]
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