TerryJ2
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I can see this from all sides. Sigh.
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...rced-into-van-prompts-mistaken-alarm/19496969
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...rced-into-van-prompts-mistaken-alarm/19496969
Is she a difficult child? Well, better safe than sorry reg. Amber Alert
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JJJ
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Yep, I can see this happening. We stopped forcing Kanga bodily into vehicles at about 10 because of this very fear.
The article says the sheriff's dept is considering charges against the family. They better not unless they want to start having to escort every difficult child when they don't want to go where their parents tell them to go.
The article says the sheriff's dept is considering charges against the family. They better not unless they want to start having to escort every difficult child when they don't want to go where their parents tell them to go.
DammitJanet
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Hey...That is Jamie's Sheriffs Dept!!!! I know that Target store!
Now looking at that video it does look as if someone is being abducted to me. Three grown adults man-handling a teen girl and pushing her into a van. It appears to be a kidnapping. I think it is a wonder anyone actually called the cops in this day and time to be honest. I think we should be thankful someone did and thankful that the sheriff's dept actually got the Amber Alert out there. Way To Go Stafford Cnty VA!!!!!
Now looking at that video it does look as if someone is being abducted to me. Three grown adults man-handling a teen girl and pushing her into a van. It appears to be a kidnapping. I think it is a wonder anyone actually called the cops in this day and time to be honest. I think we should be thankful someone did and thankful that the sheriff's dept actually got the Amber Alert out there. Way To Go Stafford Cnty VA!!!!!
Yes, it was good it was investigated, but if they decide to press charges against the family? Ridiculous. What law did they break? What exactly is the alternative? Abandoning the kid in the parking lot? Or maybe we're just supposed to be held hostage by the whims of our kids.
Honestly - where is common sense?
Honestly - where is common sense?
TerryJ2
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Maybe we all need to post an extra person near the car at times like this, someone ineffectual who stands with-her hands on her hips, pointing and yelling and not achieving a darn thing. She could be wearing an apron. Then the others can shove the kid in the car and it won't look so scary. 
At least, this family knows they are being watched. Maybe that will change their behavior?
Or exacerbate it.
At least, this family knows they are being watched. Maybe that will change their behavior?
Or exacerbate it.
DammitJanet
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"The family van was found at 12:20 a.m. today in Jacksonville. Authorities said the family is now in Fort Lauderdale.
The incident remains under investigation as the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office in Stafford County and sheriff's office determine if any charges will be filed against the family."
It does not say anywhere in that story that the sheriff's office are intending to charge anyone because of JUST the act of forcing the kid in the car.
Notice that this article says that the van was found in Jacksonville but that the family is in Ft Lauderdale. Thats a pretty good distance apart. Why is that?
How do any of know that this teen is really supposed to be with that part of the family? We dont. Maybe that is what the Sheriff's department is investigating and "will determine if any charges will be filed."
This could easily have been a parental kidnapping and someone has to sort out the mess.
The incident remains under investigation as the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office in Stafford County and sheriff's office determine if any charges will be filed against the family."
It does not say anywhere in that story that the sheriff's office are intending to charge anyone because of JUST the act of forcing the kid in the car.
Notice that this article says that the van was found in Jacksonville but that the family is in Ft Lauderdale. Thats a pretty good distance apart. Why is that?
How do any of know that this teen is really supposed to be with that part of the family? We dont. Maybe that is what the Sheriff's department is investigating and "will determine if any charges will be filed."
This could easily have been a parental kidnapping and someone has to sort out the mess.
DammitJanet
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They apparently know now that she was resisting the move to Florida but they couldnt have known it then.
Also, the area this girl was taken from, and where the people called from, had a young woman in her early 20's found killed and tossed into the middle of a cloverleaf interchange right next to this store. It is right on the side of the interstate heading from Maine to Florida and this town is 40 miles from Difficult Child.
Really, would you have rather people not called? Or that the police not have issued the Amber Alert? I would have rather they did what they did and not have it be a problem than have it be a real kidnapping. Honestly, I think the parents or whomever that was, could have maybe prevented it by not escalating it and if she wouldnt get in the car...maybe they should have called the cops to get them to make her get in the car. Then it would have been documented.
Also, the area this girl was taken from, and where the people called from, had a young woman in her early 20's found killed and tossed into the middle of a cloverleaf interchange right next to this store. It is right on the side of the interstate heading from Maine to Florida and this town is 40 miles from Difficult Child.
Really, would you have rather people not called? Or that the police not have issued the Amber Alert? I would have rather they did what they did and not have it be a problem than have it be a real kidnapping. Honestly, I think the parents or whomever that was, could have maybe prevented it by not escalating it and if she wouldnt get in the car...maybe they should have called the cops to get them to make her get in the car. Then it would have been documented.
KTMom91
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We saw the video on our local news, and I was amazed that people just walked on by without pulling out a phone. Unfortunately, I can also see both sides of this. Do you leave the kid behind and be charged with abandonment? Do you drag the kid into the car and be charged with kidnapping? Do you, as Witz said, let the kid hold you hostage and make you (the parent) stay in a city that you need to move from, risking your job, your home, your other children, everything?
I'm glad people called 911, and I think they should have, based on what the video showed. I would be outraged, though, if the parents, with legal custody, had charges filed against them because their teenager was being a jerk.
I'm glad people called 911, and I think they should have, based on what the video showed. I would be outraged, though, if the parents, with legal custody, had charges filed against them because their teenager was being a jerk.
flutterby
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I'm not saying the police shouldn't have been called. They should have. And the Amber Alert was the right thing to do.
I'm saying that pressing charges would be a bad move. The article said it was still being determined whether charges would be filed - after they had the whole story.
I'm saying that pressing charges would be a bad move. The article said it was still being determined whether charges would be filed - after they had the whole story.
TerryJ2
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I agree, assuming it's a simple difficult child issue, so to speak, pressing charges is the wrong thing to do.
How did you find this info (below)? And how would anyone know this based on the basic news that was first released? That really colors the point of view.
Also, the area this girl was taken from, and where the people called from, had a young woman in her early 20's found killed and tossed into the middle of a cloverleaf interchange right next to this store. It is right on the side of the interstate heading from Maine to Florida and this town is 40 miles from Difficult Child.
How did you find this info (below)? And how would anyone know this based on the basic news that was first released? That really colors the point of view.
Also, the area this girl was taken from, and where the people called from, had a young woman in her early 20's found killed and tossed into the middle of a cloverleaf interchange right next to this store. It is right on the side of the interstate heading from Maine to Florida and this town is 40 miles from Difficult Child.
svengandhi
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Terry
I believe Janet began her post by saying that she knows the area very well. She must have known the other story from her local news.
It does appear that the girl is being forcibly placed in the van and I would hope that I would have had the courage to call the cops. However, now that the truth appears to be out, I do not believe that the parents should be charged for this incident.
The girl is either a difficult child or in the throes of first love with a boy/girl she doesn't want to leave behind.
I believe Janet began her post by saying that she knows the area very well. She must have known the other story from her local news.
It does appear that the girl is being forcibly placed in the van and I would hope that I would have had the courage to call the cops. However, now that the truth appears to be out, I do not believe that the parents should be charged for this incident.
The girl is either a difficult child or in the throes of first love with a boy/girl she doesn't want to leave behind.
DammitJanet
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The part I wrote about where this Target is located and what happened there before is from my personal information. Nothing at all to do with this situation but it is in the same stretch of highway.
There is something very strange about this whole story. Why does it take a whole pack of relatives to get one 17 year old into a car to go down to Florida? Most teenaged girls WANT to go down to Florida if they live up north! Then why do they leave the van in JAX and go down to FT. Lauderdale? Thats almost a whole state away! Did they get another car, van or bus? Hmmm. Or did mommy and the kids go down and daddy or boyfriends stay up in JAX with the cars. Hmmm.
There is something very strange about this whole story. Why does it take a whole pack of relatives to get one 17 year old into a car to go down to Florida? Most teenaged girls WANT to go down to Florida if they live up north! Then why do they leave the van in JAX and go down to FT. Lauderdale? Thats almost a whole state away! Did they get another car, van or bus? Hmmm. Or did mommy and the kids go down and daddy or boyfriends stay up in JAX with the cars. Hmmm.
Janet - I guess the way I read the story, they found the van at 12:20 a.m. and the family is now in Ft. L, meaning they found the family *with* the van and then the family continued on to Ft. L. It's kind of a sketchy story in terms of details but since they didn't specifically say the van was abandoned... I'm assuming everyone was still in it.
A 17 y/o moving - either just finished sr. year or is going into sr. year. I could understand her resistance. And Janet... how many people would it have taken to *force* Cory to get in a van if he didn't want to at 17? Heck, we had half the village police force trying to corral thank you at much younger ages - at 17? I'm just glad we never had to find out.
I absolutely agree with- the Amber Alert. But now that they found her, taking the story at face value (a family moving, a kid who didn't want to go, nothing sinister there to my naive eyes), considering charging family members is ridiculous, in my humble opinion. What else could the family have done? As I told husband, if it becomes illegal to force our minor children into cars, there are going to be parking lots nationwide filled with roaming difficult children and families camped out waiting for their kids to get a grip.
I will say this, though. As we were discussing it last night, I came up with 3 instances (I'm sure there were more but who wants to remember that junk, LOL) when thank you completely lost his mind while I was driving or in a parking lot (mind you, this was all before he turned 10). In every instance, I did end up calling the police for assistance. Of course, he was playing in traffic in a 4-lane road, or had locked himself and Boo and Diva in the van, or had twisted my glasses into an abstract art form, so the problem was a bit more obvious than him just refusing to get into the van. I wonder how/if the police would have responded if the family had called for assistance in getting her into the van? It may not have crossed their minds.
I don't know - just taking the story at face value, and assuming she was with family members she was supposed to be with, I don't think the family did anything wrong.
A 17 y/o moving - either just finished sr. year or is going into sr. year. I could understand her resistance. And Janet... how many people would it have taken to *force* Cory to get in a van if he didn't want to at 17? Heck, we had half the village police force trying to corral thank you at much younger ages - at 17? I'm just glad we never had to find out.
I absolutely agree with- the Amber Alert. But now that they found her, taking the story at face value (a family moving, a kid who didn't want to go, nothing sinister there to my naive eyes), considering charging family members is ridiculous, in my humble opinion. What else could the family have done? As I told husband, if it becomes illegal to force our minor children into cars, there are going to be parking lots nationwide filled with roaming difficult children and families camped out waiting for their kids to get a grip.
I will say this, though. As we were discussing it last night, I came up with 3 instances (I'm sure there were more but who wants to remember that junk, LOL) when thank you completely lost his mind while I was driving or in a parking lot (mind you, this was all before he turned 10). In every instance, I did end up calling the police for assistance. Of course, he was playing in traffic in a 4-lane road, or had locked himself and Boo and Diva in the van, or had twisted my glasses into an abstract art form, so the problem was a bit more obvious than him just refusing to get into the van. I wonder how/if the police would have responded if the family had called for assistance in getting her into the van? It may not have crossed their minds.
I don't know - just taking the story at face value, and assuming she was with family members she was supposed to be with, I don't think the family did anything wrong.
DammitJanet
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Im not saying there is anything sinister either but I dont think the story says there is anything sinister either, just the sentence that got everyone riled up. That is at the end of almost every story actually when there is a crime. Or such thing as this. Like when they had the runaway bride or another girl recently who went missing but was really just hiding out. Or like the balloon boy incident. Do the agencies charge them or not?
