Tallgirl5

New Member
Diagnosing children is really hard. New symptoms can appear out of the blue and change everything, or old symptoms can fade away. I strongly suggest you look for a neuropsychologist and have extensive testing done to rule out anything else. This is a specialist psychologist with intensive training in how the brain function impacts psychology and education. It is often covered by insurance, but if not, it is still a very worthwhile thing to have done. The testing is often 12 hours or more over several days. It can really pinpoint problems and rule out other problems.

I know that ODD is often diagnosed. I have a problem with it. A good diagnosis gives you an idea of what is wrong and how to treat it. It may not tell you exactly why it is wrong, but it gives you a sort of road map to at least start treatment. ODD gives you a fairly vague description of symptoms that describes almost every difficult child I have ever heard of. It dpesn't give any idea of what is wrong to cause those symptoms, just that the symptoms are happening. There is no roadmap to even start any sort of treatment. I know many of the moms who have been here for a while feel the same. I am not saying it isn't a valid diagnosis, just that it troubles me. It doesn't seem to give any real help. When my oldest was given this diagnosis, it seemed to allow the teachers to just write him off. They would tell me that since he had ODD, it wasn't worth their time to try to help him understand the rules and the reasons for them. It drove me crazy!! Wiz has Aspergers and if he understands the reasons for a rule, he is very likely to follow it to the letter. He just has to understand the logic behind it and see that it is applied to every student, not just to the students the teacher does not like.

If your instincts say this is the right diagnosis for your daughter, stick with it. Always follow your instincts. You have them for a reason - the survival of the species and the protection of your young. Seriously. I know the times I made the biggest and worst mistakes were the times I ignored my instincts. Don't let ANYONE tell you that you should ignore your instincts. Sure doctors and various experts may have fancy degrees. They are experts after all. But they are experts in subjects, in fields of study. They have spent minutes with your child. You have spent years with her. You know her intimately, you see all of her, not just the public face she shows people. You are an expert too - an expert in your daughter! Don't let some doctor or therapist with a fancy degree bulldoze you into something. Take whatever time you need to think and research and listen to your gut instincts before you agree or disagree. Consider your self Mom Ph.D. if you need to. All those nights spent up with your child, or hours spent worrying about her, they count. They earned that Ph.D.!!

The reason I suggest the testing is not to disprove the Histrionic personality disorder. It is to see if there is anything else going on that can be identified now. If you can identify things now, it can be easier to treat them.

You are doing a great job with taking away her tablet and monitoring her when she is using a computer. Does she have a phone? Can it go online? What about a game system? It seems like just when you think you ahve everything covered, they make another gadget that can go online! It really seems like you have a good handle on a lot of things. Make sure you take care of yourself. Support for yourself is crucial. The teen years are HORRENDOUS!!

I suggest you also read Parenting With Love and Logic and/or Parenting Teens With Love and Logic both by Foster Cline and Jim Fay. I love these books because they do use both love and logic. Some parenting books seem so illogical to me. These books also made sense to my husband, which most parenting books didn't. It was the first book we could use to be on the same page without having to create cheat sheets for him to look at before he told the kids something. You can imagine how well cheat sheets worked out = they were AWFUL!! L&L was incredible!! They have a lot more books and resources available on their website, www.loveandlogic.com . Some of it is for teachers. Our schools here use L&L and have for years. Periodically they bring in some other system that fails in a few months (few last even half a year) and then they bring L&L back until some administrator sees the next bright and shiny new system. The teachers just love L&L because it makes sense. No yelling, no fussing, lost of common sense, and even the kids think it makes sense. How can you beat that?


She does not have a phone, we just can't allow it. That would end in a nightmare. We took the WII away because of it's ability to surf the net as well. We can't let her have ANYTHING with that capability. She has proven time and time again she can't be trusted. We know she get's singled out by kids because she does not have the normal things kids have but she doesn't act like a normal kid! I am very sure we are the talk at many dinner tables because of this.
 

Tallgirl5

New Member
She does not have a phone, we just can't allow it. That would end in a nightmare. We took the WII away because of it's ability to surf the net as well. We can't let her have ANYTHING with that capability. She has proven time and time again she can't be trusted. We know she get's singled out by kids because she does not have the normal things kids have but she doesn't act like a normal kid! I am very sure we are the talk at many dinner tables because of this.

Many parents think we are way too strict. They aren't the ones living this 24/7.
 

BloodiedButUnbowed

Well-Known Member
You are absolutely doing the right thing by not allowing her access to any devices. Unfortunately, she is probably gaining access via her friends' devices at school, or even the school devices themselves. Does your D have an IEP by chance?
 

Tallgirl5

New Member
You are absolutely doing the right thing by not allowing her access to any devices. Unfortunately, she is probably gaining access via her friends' devices at school, or even the school devices themselves. Does your D have an IEP by chance?

She does not because she is an honor roll student. We have to hound her to do her homework but other then that a very smart kid. School is aware of her issue with electronics, she is monitored at school.
 

Tallgirl5

New Member
She does not because she is an honor roll student. We have to hound her to do her homework but other then that a very smart kid. School is aware of her issue with electronics, she is monitored at school.

School is fully aware of her diagnosis. Luckily we have had very few issues at school with her behavior so far. Knock wood
 

susiestar

Roll With It
So what if the other parents don't like how strict you are? Let them talk. They are idiots. I would like to see them handle this half as well as you are doing!!!! I know we were the talk of the town when Wiz had his problems, especially because our daughter was usually the target of his rage. The funny thing was that I had a LOT of parents come to me to ask how to handle problems with their own kids because I refused to hide the problems we were having. If my kid was stupid enough to act out in front of the whole school, he could deal with the whole school knowing that he had a problem. Parents talked behind their hands about how awful I was for not hiding that stuff but every time they had a problem it was my phone they were calling.

Don't let the other parents being stupid cause problems for you. Know that they are still trapped in junior high and you had the good sense to grow up and become an adult. Even then, I know it is not easy to ignore them. Still, do what you must for your daughter. Come here to vent. Know that we understand because we have been there.

It is great that she is on the honor roll!! The school should still make whatever accommodations that she needs. If the doctor says she needs this or that because she has problems, the school should be able to make them. If they say no because she is on the honor roll, that is a type of discrimination, I am sure. Just because she is getting good grades does not mean she doesn't need help to stay there. If her grades slip even a little, or she contacts strange men from the school computers, make sure the school knows.

Make sure the school monitors her closely. Chances are their idea of monitoring her is to be in the same room and have 30+ other students in the room all online. That didn't ever fit my idea of close monitoring. My son was able to get into hacking forums and porn in those situations. Make friends with the school tech guy(s) if you can. I was able to do this. I took cookies to them at times. They let me know that my son was getting into all sorts of things that no kid should be getting into, especially at school. I was able to ask his teachers where they were when this was happening. They were supposed to be watching him closely when he was on the computer so this would not happen. I did not want him on a computer at all at any time. The teachers told me that it would be impossible for teachers to teach him without him having access to the internet.

Bunch of bovine excrement if you ask me! I had to get the school superintendent involved at this point. He couldn't figure out why his teachers would be unable to teach things like math and English without the internet. He wondered if he needed to turn the internet off to the entire school if they were so dependent on it. They had these things called books that you opened and they had these things with writing on them that you could turn. This writing meant something, it actually was information that you could teach from! I about fell out of my chair as the superintendent went through explaining this to my son's teachers (with a book to illustrate for them in case they didn't know, poor things might not have seen one as they were so dependent on the internet!). It was so funny to me. It was incredibly embarrassing for them and for the principal who also had to sit through this meeting. Needless to say, my son was off the computer at school for a while.

If the internet is the problem it seems to be, you absolutely can use the info from her doctors (get them to give you information saying she should not be allowed online at any time and that it is a real safety risk as she contacts men for sex any time she is online) to get at least a 504 if not an IEP. The fact that she has good grades is wonderful, but she also needs the support of the 504/IEP. She should qualify under Other Health Impaired. I think that is the box that would be checked. Don't let them fob you off saying she doesn't need it because her grades are fine. Grades are not the only thing going on in her life, or even her life at school. It only takes her a minute or so to post an ad on Craigslist for sex, or less to check an ad she has already posted. I know you do NOT want to deal with that!

I know it seems like more than you ever wanted to cope with! No one ever wanted to do all of this!! Keeping your daughter safe from meetings with nasty older men is worth it though. She may not realize the danger she puts herself in, but you do. Until she can care for herself, It is up to you to do it for her, even when it is unpleasant.
 

HMBgal

Well-Known Member
Have you tried the GizmoGadget? She can call, text (although it's tedious), has GPS on is so you can see where she is. Grandson has one and costs me 2 bucks a month. You can call it, set up certain contacts. etc. Of course, if she refuses to wear it, it won't do any good.
 

Tallgirl5

New Member
Ok, had a meeting today with X's principal today. She has no access to the internet at all. School is shocked at her behavior at home because she is a total angel at school. Principal said she can either mask it very well or has amazing control. How can she have so much control at school and zero at home?? Over the weekend again more lying, stealing and food hoarding. As mentioned before she has a MAJOR issue with food. She has been banned from bringing food outside of the kitchen/dining room because she refuses to put leftovers in the garbage. We will find banana peels, apple cores, half eaten muffins all shoved between couch cushions or in drawers.
We did a "room sweep" this past weekend and found a jar of peanut butter(in the closet), a stack of kraft singles(in a drawer), a bag of chips hidden in a book case... We left the house for 10 mins to run to the hardware store. We did the room sweep when we got home. Her father told her to stay out of the kitchen while we were gone. We found a still frozen can of Strawberry Daiquiri mix behind her mirror with a spoon! We also found her sisters fall jacket(that we were trying to find last week and she denied having) and one of my B12 syringes still in the wrapper(this scared us). When asked X just says "I don't know" and shrugs and will ask why we haven't sent her away yet. That has never been an option or even on the radar!
We live in a prison with locks on all the doors. We can't leave her alone for 10 mins. How can she be perfect at school and awful at home? We were trying to justify it to ourselves saying she can't help it, but obviously she can. I'm also very aware our issues seem very mild compared to some people on here and feel terrible to even complain. We have zero control over her at home. Rules mean nothing to her. She does what she wants, when she wants. Lies, cheats and steals.
 

JRC

Active Member
I'll admit that I am perplexed by the food hoarding. Has anyone suggested to you why she might be doing this?
 

Tallgirl5

New Member
I'll admit that I am perplexed by the food hoarding. Has anyone suggested to you why she might be doing this?

Dr's have told us it's very common with ODD & ADHD. Everything has to be locked up. If we buy a bag of brown sugar for baking and leave it in the cupboard, it will be gone in less than a week. Entire bag. Same with family sized box of cereal, granola bars. ice cream. Gone in days....Zero quantity control at all. Instead of having a yogurt cup for a snack she'll have 4. If i make pasta for dinner instead of a shake of cheese on it she'll use half the container. Same thing for butter, cream cheese, mayo....
 

JRC

Active Member
Very interesting. I've never heard of this in the context of ADHD, but I can see the impulsivity and poor decision making as part of that kind of behavior. Thanks for sharing your info.
 

Lila256

Member
My stepson has this issue with food as well (and the inability to trust him with anything connected to the Internet), to the point where his psychiatrist referred to it as a "food addiction." We had to lock absolutely every door in this house except for his bedroom and one bathroom. He would also leave rotten food and the wrappers everywhere. He would also steal Splenda packets and suck the powder out. He would even continue to eat the rotten food he had hoarded in his room. It was like he was always starving to death, despite being overweight. I do not miss managing that issue! :) It is absolutely maddening, I get it.
 

boozeoil

New Member
This is certainly a hard time in your household right now. I hope you will get the right Child Psychiatrist to help treat her.
 

Meganb87

A mom that is losing hope
Hi I have a son that has ODD and I understand situations that some ppl may not if u need some one to talk to I’m here
 
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