Explosive aggression fits

Discussion in 'General Parenting' started by Xheni, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. Xheni

    Xheni New Member

    My son (I am calling him R.) is 8 years old. When he was just several months old he would have crying fits during the night when he would cry without being awake for several minutes. When crying he would shake his legs. His legs would become stiff in a rhythmic fashion. Growing up his night cries stopped, but he would get similar fits when awake. The angry fits hit very unexpectedly and in reaction to very small provocations. He begins to kick, cry, accuse me, say obscenities etc. The fit begins unexpectedly, ends within half an hour and he is very reasonable after that for months, until the next fit.

    This problem has begun since he was only an infant, so I doubt I can fix it with psychotherapy or any kind of psychological therapy. I recently read about PANDAS (Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated with Streptococcal Infections) and strangely enough a recent fit of his began several days after he was having a sore throat.
    Some days ago he had another one, the second this year. His brother has had a pinworm infection lately, and I suspect that R. is having a latent infection of pinworms and the fit is a reaction to it. I read on pubmed.com that irritability, even post traumatic disorder like symptoms can show up in children who have a pinworm infection.

    My questions are:
    Is it possible that these fits are some kind of inflammation going on somewhere in his brain and what can I do at that moment to calm him? I don't want to give him psychiatric drugs.
    Could have vaccines contributed to it? Vaccines can cause ASIA syndrome (Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants). I feel very guilty that I continued to vaccinate him although he was having this neurological problem (which now is a psychiatric problem). I did space out the vaccines.
    Has any of you experience in using alternative methods for calming an aggressive explosion? I read in the comments in the forum that protein bars are good (I have added it to the list). I am thinking of giving him vitamin C.
    He is addicted to sugar, and probably uses it to calm himself, but in the long run I am afraid it just makes it worse. Sugar is considered a kind of drug by some psychologists.
    I would appreciate any suggestions.
  2. BusynMember

    BusynMember Active Member

    Instead of guessing, I would take him for a full workup in all areas with a neurologist, a neuropsycholist AND psychiatrist. Then anyone else they may recommend. Wish WE had. Sorry we believed it would just get better with age. It got worse. Whatever "it" was. Nobody knew

    Until testing comes back as positive,
    nobody can treat it. His early symptoms could have been red flags for neurological issues, even epilepsy or autism or more than one issue. Some have many things going on. Its a hard long road sometimes, worth it in the end in my opinion. It's above the skills of a pediatrician.

    But you will never know if he doesn't get ultra evaluated by high level experts. We are just parents. Like you all we can do is guess and that wont help your son. I would try nothing because you don't know what he has.

    A wise friend, a doctor, once told me not to trust the internet or do things myself. Even doctors often have other doctors treat their loved ones. Emotions and internet misinformation make it very hard for us to do this alone.

    Did he have an unusual birth? Is he adopted? Was he.premature? Any issues on the family tree?

    Vaccinations don't cause neurological problems. They prevent serious illness and early death. Don't go there. Please. Stop being so trusting of "experts" on the internet who make things up. See real experts in person.

    My daughter is a bit challenged herself and wont vaccinate her son so he never had a vaccine but he is delayed in all areas, is an emotional wreck,and hyperactive and other mothers wont let him play with their kids because they are afraid he will give their child diseases that he isn't vaccinated for. On top of that, she has to homeschool him because unvaccinated kids cant go to school. Do you live in the U.S?

    God bless.
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  3. Xheni

    Xheni New Member

    It was a difficult birth, with Apgar score 8. He was not premature. Both my husband and me can have pretty strong outbursts, so it is genetic to some extent, but if it is inflammatory, theoretically I can still help to prevent them or diminish their intensity to a normal level. I know what triggers my outbursts (egg white, honey, too much light during the night, hormonal fluctuations during my cycle!). I avoid them and I am fine.
    I can't relate his outbursts to any special food.
    I have a degree in clinical psychology and my sister in neurology. To me it seems like intermittent explosive disorder. My sister says he has no neurological disorder. I didn't find anything helpful on this disorder on pubmed. They just give tranqulizers and that's it. That's just a temporary fix with side effects in the long run.
  4. BusynMember

    BusynMember Active Member

    But what if its not inflammatory? Not sure where that came from. What if it has nothing to do with food? You don't know. You can not be the one diagnosing unless you have the medical education. Not nursing. A medical degree. Why treat inflammation? Who saw this? How do you treat this? Who told you? Sounds like you are trying to fix him yourself.

    Do you see doctors? To me it does sound neurological or at least he needs to be evaluated intensively. I think it would be a big mistake to just try unproven homeopathic stuff. i can not help if that's the route you want to take. I think you will be disappointed, as my daughter has been.

    I do wish you well and will pray for your son.
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  5. Copabanana

    Copabanana Well-Known Member

    I suggest strongly you take him to be diagnosed by professionals such as a pediatric neurologist, pediatric neuropsychologist, etc. Nobody can diagnose their own family reliably with specificity. We're too close to the situation. You will find a good pediatric team at either a Regional Children's Hospital or a University Medical Center.

    I agree with Busy. A difficult birth is traumatic for a baby and that trauma stays until it is resolved by treatment. There are doctors and treatment programs that work with prenatal, birth and early trauma. I also agree with Busy about the possibility of something neurological. I have heard of children having mini seizures that give rise to episodic rage. I tell you this not because I know anything about any of this. I tell you this to urge you to bring your child to qualified professional clinical specialists.

    And, finally, I agree with Busy that the internet is no place to get more than casual, anecdotal help and support about our common experience. There is all kind of wacky stuff on the internet. Pandas is VERY controversial. So is the anti- Vaccine point of view. While an anti-inflammation diet seems healthy, by focusing upon these fads, you may overlook a serious, treatable condition that is affecting your child. Why would you want to do that?

    Degrees in psychology or neurology do not equip one, in my opinion to diagnose one's child. Nor do people on the internet. We have compassion. We may know a little bit about some things. But we can't diagnose. We don't know your child. And nobody could know what's going on without knowing your child and your family. I would be greatly suspicious of anybody who represented themselves with the capacity to do so.

    Welcome to you. I hope I have not offended. As are you, I am concerned for your child.
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  6. Xheni

    Xheni New Member

    Thank you for the support. I will try all alternatives before resorting to using medicines. Not homeopathy, I don't know much about it and at first glance it does not convince me.
    R. behaves well at school, with friends, he only has had issues when at home. The fits have decreased and weakened in intensity during the years, so I am hopeful that he will get better.
    I suspect inflammation because:
    1. My own angry outbursts seem to happen when I am in an inflammatory like state which is strongly affected by foods.
    2. New studies are showing a link between inflammation and explosive anger (https://www.livescience.com/42075-anger-disorders-linked-to-inflammation.html)
    3. He is eating strangely. He is currently eating only 3-4 kinds of foods and nothing else. He eats a food for several weeks every day, preferably several times a day, then abruptly stops eating it. Hypersensitive foods may cause this pattern of eating.

    I will try vitamin C (if R. permits) at the next outburst. Better yet, before it. There may be a prodromal phase, marked with hyperactivity, irritability. I have to be more vigilant on his prodromal signs.
    Vitamin D3, magnesium may also be good. I'll try them as well if the problem continues. They have no side effects if taken according to the indications.
    If the problem persists we will go to the doctor.
  7. Xheni

    Xheni New Member

    I won't call them fads. Diet can have a profound effect on behavior and emotions. I have extensively read many comments on this forum (to learn from them), and I am surprised how little it is noticed by the mothers. I myself have a 22 year experience with diet. I give you some examples from my life: If I eat a small piece of bread, after several hours I get a panic attack, a depressive like episode whereby I could kill myself. In the last year this has happened every single time I have eaten bread, or gluten containing food (even without my knowledge). Before that I ate gluten without problem for several years. Or, when I eat egg white, the next day I have body aches, short term memory lapses, angry outbursts. I go into a manic like state, with fibromyalgia like symptoms. I have had to avoid egg white for the last 10 years. Since the amount of bread or egg white that is needed to cause symptoms is so small, it can`t be a metabolic disorder, it should be inflammatory, hypersensitivity.

    In the case of R. I have noticed strange behavior regarding food, which may be related to his problems.
  8. BusynMember

    BusynMember Active Member

    The problem is that only the medical community can tell you why he acts like this by testing. Has he even had allergy tests to see if he HAS allergies?

    I am not a big believer in alternatives. What is an alternative that works called? Medicine! Its true. If it works, it becomes medicine, sold as such.

    I don't like overmedication, but do not believe food and vitamins alone help these kinds of kids. Not by themselves. And many of our kids were like your son at his age and did NOT get better and are full blown drug addicts to soothe their symptoms, which then puts medicine in the forefront of their treatment, only it is self medication, from daily pot to heroin. Read our stories. Our kids, many of them, acted out as kids much less than your child. And they are not doing well.

    Anti vaxers scare me. My daughter is one. In spite of my dear grandson never being vaccinated, he has tons of red flags for autism. And my daughter also believes she is an expert on proper eating and vitamins. You sound alike.

    I have other grands who are raised in a medically conventional way including vaccines and they have totally normal kid behavior and are so far straight A students. No rages. Lots of friends.

    I urge you to get your son medical assessments unless you are trained doctors. Otherwise I fear you will end up here in ten years with an addicted son or a criminal son who will not work. It still may happen, but I feel we need to do our best. Alternatives are fine along with regular medical testing and treatment. But not alone.

    I pray to God for your family and hope you are guided toward what is best for your child. Do not believe the people on the internet. Few are professionals. Anyone can pretend to be one though. Good luck.
  9. Xheni

    Xheni New Member

    I have done the conventional allergy tests, they do not show an IgE allergy. The neurological and psychiatric symptoms are not IgE mediated. Other children are healthy because they do not have the genetic predisposition. I understand that it is probably genetic, but genes interact with the environment to cause disease. I can manipulate the environment (including diet, sleep, living conditions etc.) to suit the genes. As for the addictions, I have suffered from them myself so I have insider information :). I can manage them without medicines. I have noticed that sunbathing, vitamin C, eliminating sugar and gluten helps tremendously with addictions.
    As for the vaccines, there is a lot of literature that links them to autoimmune, allergic and inflammatory diseases. Autism on the other hand has been linked to autoimmunity to folate receptor in the brain, or increased brain inflammation (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aurt/2019/7486431/). Food can impact inflammation. Milk consumption for example increases cases of autoimmunity to folate receptor because the milk protein is similar to it (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2715943/). So, there are interactions between vaccines, pollution, autoimmunity, food etc.
    My other son got severe eczema, several food allergies within 5 days of his 2 month old vaccine. The eczema got weaker during the years, but he has ADHD and addictions.
    I plan to videotape my son's outbursts and show them to the doctor.
  10. ahhjeez

    ahhjeez Active Member

    Has your son had a full neuropsychological testing? His outbursts and restrictive food intake could possibly point to autism. I'm sorry your son got eczema after his 2 month vaccines, but that very well could be coincidence. You mention he had several food allergies show up 5 days after his 2 month vaccines, but at 2 months what was he eating? Wouldn't he have just been drinking breast milk or formula?

    I agree with Busy. I think your son needs to see a doctor to get to the root of why he's having these outburst. I think videoing it is a great idea as well. I wish you and yours well. Good luck.
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  11. ahhjeez

    ahhjeez Active Member

    I hope I haven't offended you. I went back and re-read my post and it seems terse which is not my intention at all. :)