For those watching the Casey A. trial.....

[HaoZi]

I have an off-the wall question- how did they identify the body? Can you identify thru DNA of skeletal remains?

Can you? Yes, though one generally starts with dental records. DNA can be found in molars hundreds of years old. Chancy at that length of time, but it's been done. Much easier for recent ones, and yes the isotope tests to get an idea where someone lived does exist and is pretty cool.

 

[donna723]

And STILL, after all of this, they have not mentioned ONE SINGLE WORD about the supposed "accidental" drowning, other than asking Cindy about the pool ladder! That right there says it all as far as I'm concerned! I thought that was supposed to be their main defense, that Casey didn't kill her, she accidentally drown in the pool and they covered it up! If they had anything to base that on besides a whole lot of hot air, they would have been all over it long before now! If they're not going on the "accidental drowning" excuse, what else is there other than that Casey killed her! And if you saw George Anthony's testimony today, there is no way that man knew beforehand what had happened to that little girl!

It doesn't matter if the meter reader picked up the plastic bag or not or what did or did not happen when she was eight year old. What does matter is that her beautiful little baby girl is dead and they have not shown one single thing that points to anyone other than CASEY being responsible for her death!

 

[klmno]

I thought there were no teeth left around the area. I was just curious if they could use DNA- surely they didn't just surmise it must be Caylee based on clothes and size of remains.

Donna, I agree, whether it was Casey or the defense team or a combination of both, they shot themselves in the foot by proposing a "here's what happened" when they didn't have a shred of evidence to prove it and you have a defendant with no credibility for telling the truth.

 

[HaoZi]

Hair could have provided possible DNA (depending on condition), as could have other bones if the marrow was intact enough for sampling. I mention the thing with the molars because after that length of time it's about the only bones left you can get it from, but newer ones are easier. I haven't heard anything about teeth being missing, the photos I've seen do show some teeth and would be enough for dental records. From many of those dental records you can also compare sinus cavities, and like teeth each person's sinuses are distinct and can be used for additional identification.
If a true copy of the autopsy report is available online I'd have a better idea what was used, but I'm sure they confirmed it by more than one method.

ETA: Here's the article from when she was ID'd: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...aylee-anthony-body-dna-121908,0,1859200.story

 

[1905]

I'm trying to keep an open mind just to see what the jury will think. Cindy is a complete liar and nothing she says is true, she just wants her daughter home, I'll bet she even wishes George had taken his own life, then they could all blame him. George knew nothing, he's a truth teller, and totally believable. I did feel sorry for Cindy for so long, but finding out she kept the pregnancy from Lee (why would anyone fathom doing that? It's weird.), makes me think her and Casey are so much alike. And that Kronk, it's not his fault the cops didn't believe him at first, he seemed upstanding, he checked it out again, so? And so what if he sold something to the Today show or whatever show it was? He seemed normal, for 15 grand I'd sell it too. He didn't take any bones HOME, c'mon.. the jury won't believe it. That Dr. G, she was good, totally on target, the jury wil believe, it sticks out on my mind and will in theirs. Look at the jurors on the website DJ provided, their point of view is what matters. The "leaf litter" lady, "bug guy" and this lady today,were the lowest common denominator in their fields.

 

[klmno]

True. If you take Dr. G's testimony (an expert) along with George's (a loving family member no matter what his faults are) both saying this is the only way a rationale person can add it up (in so many words), it says a whole lot. Yes, the family is truly dysfunctional and that might save Csaey's life, along with the fact that she is a "she" and the mother and young, but so far I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise. People in doubt just really don't want to believe it.

 

[1905]

This man came to husband's job selling tools for 1/2 price, and they were tools worth thousands of dollars. He would show up every once in a while. My brother in law always told husband if they guy shows up, CALL HIM, he would come right over with the money (you had to pay in advance). So the guy shows up and brother in law came right over with money for a 2,000 $ thing. Now my husband said to brother in law "just go with him, then you don't have to come back" this guy would take orders, and then he would bring back your order.
So the guy goes into the hardware store to get everyone's order, suddenly the cops surround my poor brother in law and arrest him (he was reading the paper in the guy's truck) The guy was using stolen credit cards, but brother in law didn't know that. brother in law went to jail, and the lawyer said.."What will the jury believe?" The jury would of course believe brother in law was in on the whole thing, but he wasn't! He had to plead, the jury would never believe him. ...The point I'm making is......what would a jury believe????

 

[Nancy]

I don't understand why so many people think George is hiding something. You know that could be my difficult child on trial. And she would have the same look on her face if her dad was on the stand and not lying for her, and he never sexually abused her. Why is it so hard for people to accept that she may just be a difficult child and nothing in her past made her do this. They are all looking for reasons why she killed her child and lied about it. I can also put myself in her parents place not wanting to believe my daughter killed my granddaughter and yet smelling what I was sure was human decomposition in the car. They wanted to believe their daughter didn't do anything to her child, they wanted to believe that they were both alive.

George said his daughter lived on the edge and they had a lot of problems with her. If this family was hiding anything it's probably all the chaos she has caused and they are afraid if they bring all that up it will make it worse for her. And I can see myself yelling at the reporters and telling everyone my daughter was not a killer because I would want to believe she didn;t do that, until I could no longer hide from the truth. In my head I would suspect she did something but in my heart I would still be looking for a better outcome.

I think these people who are trying to find some deep dark secret in this family just have never lived with a difficult child and don't know the range of emotions we go through every day.

I hope George is not alone tonight, I hope they have supportive people around them. The real tragedy would be if George ended his life after what he had to go through on the stand today.

Nancy

 

[donna723]

Apparently the only defense they have is to try to blame it on someone else. They're just making a huge thing out of stuff that doesn't even matter. I don't see that Kronk did anything wrong, nothing anybody else wouldn't have done. He called the police several times - it's not his fault they didn't respond, especially since this was in an area so close to the Anthony's home. And they made such a big deal out of that dead rattlesnake that the meter readers found, inferring that they were just fooling around with a dead snake, etc. Well, if you've ever seen any of these heavily vegetated swampy wooded areas in Florida, you'd know why they wouldn't just go trooping off in there! And a dead rattlesnake tells you that there's probably more live rattlesnakes around, plus water moccasins if part of the area was flooded. But they went on and on about it, even though it didn't amount to a hill of beans! Just trying to deflect as much of the blame as they can off on to other people besides Casey.

 

[DammitJanet]

Nancy, you are saying much what tony and I have been saying all night about the whole dysfunction theory. The whole why issue. I get so irritated when they keep asking why george didnt go straight to the police when he smelled decomp in the car at the tow yard. I know why. I know why instinctively deep inside. Its because he was praying with every fiber of his being that Casey and Caylee were going to come through that door any minute and what his greatest fear was, wasnt going to be real...and he just was going to put it out of his mind until he had to face it. I know I have done that very thing time and time again. I have not known where Cory is and probably should have made a call to find him but I didnt because I just didnt want to know.

If something happened to my grandchildren I would be devastated. There was no denying that mans grief today. For Jose to grill him in the way he did about the abuse was abuse. There was no way to answer the question without sounding like he wasnt dodging the answer.

I really hope that there are some parents of kids with issues on that jury. With the odds that they say with 1 in every 5 kids having a mental illness, well maybe someone knows someone. Hopefully.

 

[klmno]

Somthing's not adding up exactly right with this woman. Why is she so upset?

 

[donna723]

I think anything she says should be considered worthless! She goes by several different names and has quite a police record. She befriended the Anthonys by becoming a volunteer after they were already well known and in the news, then gave George some big story about having a brain tumor. She's stated she received $4,000 for interviews she gave to the National Enquirer. Whether he did or did not have a personal relationship with her doesn't matter. She got her name in the papers and made money off of it. She's a sleazy opportunist who saw her chance to profit from the Anthony's family tragedy and she went for it.

 

[klmno]

She told on herself about having an extensive criminal background, didn't she? I didn't hear either attny bring that out but she volunteered it in front of the jury. The judge's instructions helped.

 

[klmno]

I have to leave by 11:30 and won't be home until about 6:00 so I was hoping the better stuff would come out this morning.

 

[HaoZi]

Yeesh, defense exhibit to show a news tape that George had duct tape. Seriously? A kid can walk in and buy the stuff, most households have some. I hope George gets tired of being tread on by Baez and Casey.

 

[klmno]

Unless they can prove George had the last roll of that particular brand and Casey couldn't have taken it....

 

[klmno]

Ok- then can the prosecution bring out that Casey buried her pets in that area?

 

[HaoZi]

That's a lot of pets. It could also be argued that Casey learned to bury things this way. I'm starting to wonder if Casey offed any of the pets.

 

[donna723]

It's a lot of pets but Cindy was going back talking about pets she had even before her children were born. I couldn't even tell you how many pets we have had in that long of a time frame - dozens and dozens.

 

[HaoZi]

The only one they talk about in Ohio was Mandy. The rest were since then of the ones they're talking about now. And yeah, over those years it's not that many, I've had at least that many when I had the space and yard for them, too. Just struck me as a lot of dead ones because of the context, but you're right. Still makes me wonder if Casey "helped them along."