Tipping

Kathy813

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Janet,

I thought the same thing as I was reading this thread. It does seem like those of us in the south tip less. I am going to ask around at school today and see if I am typical (or just cheap).

I did think of another person that I tip ~ the pizza deliveryman/woman. My difficult child, though, told me that I was miserly with my $2.00 tip. Now that she is delivering pizza she is an expert on the subject. She says that suburban housewives are the worst and guys are the best ~ especially after a few beers.

:rofl:

~Kathy
 

Marguerite

Active Member
Australia is notorious for not tipping - at least, nothing like you guys in the US. It is something totally alien to our culture. And yet we used to treat the garbos at Christmas time to a bottle of beer, left on the bin lid. They were about the only people we DID give something to. My mother might make preserves for the milko, the postie and that's about it.

Back in those days the garbos did it all manually. One drove the truck and the other two ran behind weaving left and right to grab bins from both sides of the street, heave them into the truck and put the bins back. Considering Christmas is our summer, and they were about to get overloaded bins, in summer heat (hence - prawn shells going 'off' while they waited for collection) we needed to keep the garbos sweet. By being generous and giving them a bottle of beer each with our bins, it guaranteed that for the next few weeks at least, we got gilt-edged service. They almost scrubbed the bins clean for us; the bins got set back down upright on the kerb with the lids on. No extra dents. We were a big family who often had extra rubbish to go out, so it was in our interests to bribe them a bit. The bin collections might sometimes involve some extra bags of rubbish, or something smellier than usual.

We would occasionally hear tales of families who really took advantage of their garbos, asking them to go above & beyond the call of duty, and then leave out nothing for Christmas. Their bins were always the really dented ones, or the ones 'forgotten' or knocked over and spilt. But if OUR bin got knocked over in the weeks after Christmas, these guys would pick it all up for us.

These days it's all mechanical so we couldn't tip even if we wanted to. There's no need for it anyway, they DO get paid well.

We understand that tipping was a way to subsidise what were fairly low wages and poor conditions in the US, but in Australia we've never had comparatively low wages like that - if you had a job you were generally paid enough in comparison to most other workers. We were a nation of "battlers", meaning EVERYONE (except the really rich few) were on the same level playing field. Hence - no tipping, because it would be coming from the poor, to the poor.

With more tourism and overseas visitors, things have changed. The services which deal most with tourists are the ones where tipping has come in. Hotel staff, restaurant staff, and so on. It's still unusual anywhere else. The reputation of US tourists especially, for being very popular as they are heavy tippers, has often meant that the US tourist gets a lot of fuss made of them in Australia! So if you want to save money when you visit Australia, remember - you don't have to tip everyone! And you will STILL be considered generous! Aussies LOVE the Yanks!

With the automation of many services we no longer even give a gift at Christmas time (which was always preferred to money, because a money gift implies class distinction, and our garbos are very proud. But nobody would refuse a free beer in the festive season!).

Some cafés now also have a tip jar, but this is generally only for service above & beyond the usual involving a meal, not a mere cup of coffee. We don't have tip jars in fast food restaurants, in hairdressers (not the ones I go to, anyway) or sandwich shops.
The maximum tip, and then only for exceptional service, is 10%. We tip in TOP restaurants if we've had good service; we will tip the minimum to hotel staff who carry in our bags (because they don't have to live on tips, they're on salary, but thanks to you lot, it's now expected!) but we don't tip anyone else. Not even taxis. No tipping of airport staff is needed - they get paid for it. Any freeloaders trying to help out in exchange for a tip - they get moved on, fast.

We now have GST (Goods and Services Tax) in Australia. Since then tipping has gone down further - the GST (which is 10%) means that now it's the Federal Government that gets the tips! The GST was supposed to replace a lot of other taxes - of course it hasn't.

As for tipping buskers - our TV networks have done an experiment a few times by getting some of our most skilled and famous performers, disguising them and putting them on the street busking. After several hours' fabulous guitar playing, Tommy Emmanuel made about $10. Our minimum wage is about twice that, for one hour. Our 'dole' or social security pays more than what he earned.

Marg
 
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Kjs

Guest
My hair dresser is my neighbor. She has a little salon in her basement, however is not allowed to do hair and get paid for it as she would lose her liscense. So, We babysat her son, she cut, colored and styled our hair. Take care of her animals when they are away. Run errands or drive her child somewhere. She works 6 days a week in a salon, I would think the last thing she would want to do when she gets home is someone elses hair!! She is so sweet. Even when she is dead tired she'll say, a few minutes of effort makes people happy. Also only one difficult child will let cut his hair. ONE time took him to cost cutters or something like that and they cut the top of his ear.

This lady also got up before school and did difficult child's hair on crazy hair day. She did a mohawk, colored it school colors. Then after school the mohawk part was shaved off.
difficult child now has longer hair and only wants her to trim the "tippies".
I do get her a gift card at christmas at the beauty supply store. It is just a christmas gift for a friend.
 

Fran

Former desparate mom
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Just as an aside, I'm not casting a negative attitude on garbage men. You couldn't pay me enough to do that stinky job, especially in the summer. All honest work is honorable. I appreciate that they are willing to do it as opposed to doing nothing. Paying them a decent wage should be expected but tipping seems unnecessary.

Janet, you can't carry your own luggage onto a plane! It has to get checked. If I check it at curbside I don't have to wait in long lines at the counter. I do travel a fair amount and I don't mind tipping the porters. I resent that the airport decided to cut into the porters money by charging in addition to the tip. Don't make it sound like if you check bags in at curbside, you think you are too good to carry your own suitcases. It's not snooty behavior. It's pretty impossible to carry 2 large suitcases, a carry on and a purse very far. Used to be I was dragging 2 kids too.

I don't believe the southern states tip less than the northern states. Just different.

My mom has a habit of going back to the table to remove the tip I leave at restaurants. We have to watch her. She thinks it's being frivilous with money. 1.00 is enough in her mind. LOL. She gives it back to us in the car. We learned to not let her see the tip. She figures she worked for 30 yrs and no one gave her a tip. I'm not sure how one justifies the other but that's mom. </span>
 

Marguerite

Active Member
We have no porters at our Aussie airports, Fran. We do have general airport staff who will help you if you ask for it, but they are paid by the airport and no tipping is ever necessary. Most of the time though, we are expected to get a trolley ($4 in the slot, reimbursed $1 when you return the trolley). There is a trolley bay at the drop-off area so once you heave your bags out of the car, you can load them right onto the trolley and wheel them into the queue. Or the taxi-driver will load the bags right onto the trolley if you grab one fast enough. No tip needed. But extra work always needed by passengers, so maybe there is something in your system too, Fran.

We do sometimes get kids skimming round the airport collecting discarded trolleys to return them for the $1, but THAT is one of the perks of the airport staff, they get cranky with kids doing that.

The airports I've been in in recent years (in Australia) all have trolleys near the drop-off point (or railway station, in the case of Sydney) and the check-in counter is only a very short distance away, right near the entrance. Once we check in our bags we only have hand luggage to worry about. Any extra help (such as me in a wheelchair, often) a staff member is delegated to stick around and be a porter just for that passenger. Once again, no tipping needed - possibly not even permitted. Certainly not expected.

As one of our favourite authors said, "We're a weird mob!"

Marg
 

DDD

Well-Known Member
I don't give money at Christmas but I do give a sealed Christmas
box of candy to the UPS man, the FedEx man, the store mailman,
the house mailman, the store garbage men, the house garbage men
AND...our yardmen. I absolutely and totally refuse to respond
to the Christmas cards that the newspaper people include with
the two paper subscriptions we have. Yes, they do get up in the
wee hours and get the papers here...but it feels like blackmail
to open a card that is signed "your caring deliverer, Susan".
HUH? I don't need to know their names and they sure don't need
to know my first name either! LOL!

Food deliver people get a tip. Servers always get a tip. The
hairdresser always gets a tip.

Hmmmmmmm.......maybe that is why I am broke in my old age! DDD
 

Fran

Former desparate mom
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Marguerite, I don't know if it's the norm but when my mom or in laws travel in a wheelchair(at the airport) I always tip 10.00. It's a free service but we just have always done it. When I had someone escort my relatives who spoke no English to the plane I tipped even more so that they kept them safe and got them where they had to go.
I don't mind tipping for extra service.

Curbside check in is a reasonable alternative to the inside lines of people. If the porter checks you in, you get your boarding pass, your luggage checked then I go park the car and can take the shuttle back to the airport with just carry on.

I know in Europe the trolleys are everywhere and I think they are free. Ours are 3.00. I use them when I pick up my bags at the carousel and take them to the parked car.
I tipped a manicurist in Italy and she was shocked. She had no idea that you would get tipped for nails so I figured it is an american thing. </span>
 

SkunkMomma

New Member
I usually do not tip unless when eating out. My tip depends on the service. My husband and I fuss over how much to give. He wants to set a certain amount and I give according to the service. It use to make me feel guilty not to give the hair dresser a tip, but when I moved I decided since she owned her shop and set the prices, I'm sure she was getting plenty off my hair.
 

Nancy

Well-Known Member
Oh yes I do tip the pizza delivery person. I do not tip our paperboy because it's an adult who does it for a living and he rides around in his car delivering papers. We get the bill through the mail and there is a place to include tips but I don't. I figure he's a far cry from the paperboy who use to walk from house to house delivering and collecting. I do give him a monetary gift at Christmas.

I also tip the car wash people.

Like I said earlier I never understood the tip jar at coffee shops or fast food places. Well at a coffee shop if you sit there and drink it and visit then I tip, but not if it's cash and carry. But now my difficult child works at the local ice cream store and they have a tip jar and I have to say I always leave tips there at least. She made $3.50 last Saturday and was thrilled.

No one has mentioned cab drivers, yes I tip them, as well as florist delivery people, they are usually elderly men trying to make some extra money.

My Dad tries to tip the nurses when he stays at the hospital. Of course they always refuse so he puts it in their pocket. Someday he will get his hand wacked. He tries to solicit me into giving it to them and I try to tell him they will lose their jobs. But there is no telling Dad.

And Fran my Dad must have gone to the same tipping school as your Mom. He use to leave #1 no matter what the check. I finally had to teach him what was customery.

I agree the curbside service is well worth it. I just think they should have a set fee, it's worth every penny. Then you don't have to figure out who gets how much. I am amused to watch them all clamour to your car, one to take the bags out, one to check your bags in, another to take them to wherever they take them to gert on the plane.

Nancy
 

Fran

Former desparate mom
Nancy, when I worked in the hospital,occasionally a family would want to tip me. I was horrified/embarassed. I would never take money. It felt unprofessional and shifty on my part. Get a fruit basket for the floor or candy for everyone. I appreciate the family's or patients thoughtfulness but it was not something I would have even considered. You don't tip other professionals.

Pretty funny about our parents worrying about over tipping the server.

difficult child gets a portion of the tips for busing the tables. He thinks he hit the lotto because he thinks it's free money.
 

busywend

Well-Known Member
Fran, I have used that curbside baggage check in. It is not at every airport. I figure it is equal to me checking in at the counter - the airline just has 2 options for me to check in now. I never even thought about tipping the curbside guys! I guess that is the job to get rather than the one at the inside check in.
 

Marguerite

Active Member
Fran, tipping the person who helps you personally in cases of disability - I do agree it sounds very reasonable. I wish I'd thought of it before. I'll have to check, it's possibly not legal for them to accept it here as things are at the moment (security alerts, sort of thing) - like nurses, etc.

In a lot of cases such as nurses, etc a gift is often preferred because it's more of a thank you and less of a payment. But I don't think that would transfer to airport staff who are performing such a personal and vital service. I will ask though, we need to know for our holiday coming up because I'll probably be the one in the wheelchair.

Taxis - we generally don't in Australia other than to keep the change if it's a matter of rounding up to the nearest dollar, or thereabouts. A $13.90 fare on a busy day - maybe hand over $15 and say "keep the change" is about as far as we might go, and it's less for service and more about convenience. The exception to the rule is when we're getting a taxi to an airport or hotel and they go to a lot of trouble to help us with our baggage. But even then it's not expected, as a rule. We used to tip taxi drivers, but not for years. Certainly not since GST.

Aussies really are a stingy mob, I guess.

Marg
 
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Kjs

Guest
Alwasy tip the pizza delivery guy... easy child was a pizza delivery kid for several years at college. Wages were minimal, he would get .50 per delivery (for gas lol). Most of his money was from tips. Most do tip well. Asking him what a normal tip is, he says for one pizza delivery $5.00. Lucky he never delivered to us, that is outrageous. However he had an area that was a lot of driving, not city driving. One man offered him $100 tip if he would run to the convenience store and pick something up for him. He did. (I would of taken a cab). I am very tight with money. easy child is opposite. I never considered tipping garbage men. Never heard of anyone that ever did that. interesting.
 

Fran

Former desparate mom
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Maybe not every airport does this but in Pittsburgh and Dallas/Ft.Worth there is a 2.00 per bag in addition to any optional tip given for curbside check in. Before it was strictly tip only.

The taxi driver is tipped also.

Marguerite, as a whole Americans are pretty generous however I wouldn't put nurses in the same category at valets in the airport. Nurses are professionals and have a decent income. Valets probably make minimium wage and a tip is a thank you for not tipping my mother out of her wheelchair when she is demanding(just joking). I always figured no one got more money by being stingy to the minimium wage worker. Just a personal belief. </span>
 

Marguerite

Active Member
Sorry Fran, no intention to compare airport valets to nurses. mother in law is a retired nurse, husband & I both know how hard they work. I'm not sure we HAVE airport valets, we've got something else here. I do agree though, about it being a big help to keep some people sweet.

Maybe that's the difference - we have a fairly generous welfare system and our minimum wage is also fairly high - I do know that proportionally it is much higher than in the US. The wages of people at our airports is probably higher than ours! Apart from the few very rich people in our country, many more Aussies as a percentage of total population are round about the same level income-wise, than I think in the US. Example - husband is technically a professional, it takes a lot of experience and qualifications to do his job, but already easy child alone earns more than husband & I do together. easy child 2/difficult child 2 works behind a check-out and earns enough to move away from home, if she worked enough hours. BF2 is in the first year of his first ever job working in a shop and is close to earning as much as husband.

As a result, when we are dealing with service personnel we are often dealing with people who could well be earning as much as us or more, doing a demanding, skilled job - would we offend if we offer to tip? That's coming from an Aussie to an Aussie - we'll take anything from a tourist without getting offended! But as a country we're very conscious of NOT caring about status or relative importance - we pride ourselves on equality to such an extreme that we can even have reverse snobbery; one place we lived in the neighbours felt sorry for us because we'd wasted our time going to uni - we should have quit school at 15 and got good, solid jobs on the garbage trucks like him, THEN we could have afforded a house sooner. And it wasn't him trying to put us down to make himself feel better - he really did think this way. And so do many others. (we moved - either that or lose our self-esteem).
One of Australia's richest men, Lindsay Fox, celebrated a very public and lavish birthday party on the weekend - Hugh Jackman was one guest, for example. He joked that he and wife Deb would be jumping out of this bloke's cake. And this bloke is basically a truckie and proud of it. He built up a business from the ground up. He earns a lot more than we do, but if you rubbed shoulders in the street you wouldn't know it.

Not that the way we are down under is any better or not - we're just different and I'm still learning HOW different sometimes. As I learn, it explains so much more. You guys are the BEST teachers!

(And Fran, I'd maybe better tip the wheelchair porter I get, or maybe I'll get tipped out onto the tarmac?)

Marg
 
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