For those watching the Casey A. trial.....

[donna723]

I never have figured out what the big deal was about the duct tape! And even if did come from their house, what does that prove? It certainly doesn't mean that George had anything to do with it! If Casey needed duct tape to wrap up the body, what more logical place would there be for her to get it than from her own house - their garage or their tool shed! Yet they went on for days about the stupid duct tape. This trial would have been done weeks ago if it wasn't for ol' Baez trying to throw up his smoke screens. They even spent hours grilling them about how they buried some of their pets that died thirty years ago! And all of that proved nothing!

 

[HaoZi]

The pet burial does show where she learned to do it that way. I've never seen someone tape the bag myself, we used boxes. Was the duct tape ever matched to a roll? I thought it was, but I could being remembering a different case(s).

 

[DaisyFace]

Well, the clincher for me is not duct-tape or work records or facial expressions or anything like that...

it was Casey's behavior during the 31 days between the "disappearance" and the 911 call.

The ONLY reason that Casey was not in a panic looking for that little girl is that Casey knew where she was. Period. The end.

I mean, how long have any of us gone before calling friends, driving around the neighborhood, contacting the police if our kids are un-accounted for? For pete's sake, people are out putting up flyers for lost PETS within a few hours. She would have called about a missing WALLET sooner than 31 days!

After that? Nothing else means a hill of beans....

 

[DammitJanet]

Did anyone catch the Casey Cam where she mouth a silent You SOB to her father as he was sobbing on the stand? Not those initials either.

 

[donna723]

But it was Baez going on at Cindy and George about wrapping the bodies of their pets in plastic bags and duct tape, like he was inferring that they had done the same thing to Caylee! So flimsey, it was pathetic! If that's the best he could come up with, the defense is in very deep doo doo!

 

[Marcie Mac]

I was expecting some dramatic end by the defense - since we have all been told "follow the duct tape" - I was thinking this is it, he is ending on pets dying and being put in a bag, first one like 30 years ago??? No proof of molesting, no proof of her dad being involved, no proof of her brother molesting her - didn't even ask Lee the question. Could I see her dad doing that to the baby, putting it in trash bags like the pets..mmmm...no. Is Casey THAT wacked out she would even THINK to do something like that?? Who would do that, to a baby no less, other than some really disturbed individual - but didn't two psychologists and a psychiatrist find her perfectly sane?

Closing argument on Sunday supposedly. Will be interesting.

Marcie

 

[1905]

I think catching Cindy lying about the Chloroform searches was huge. Did the jury hear George's suicide note? I really hope this trial isn't like another OJ thing, where it's so sensationalized that they ler her go. I know she's no OJ.


What kind of a person leaves their child and pretends to have a job? Wouldn't you feel so guilty, maybe after a day or a week, but for 2 years??? And her parents had to be inconvenienced. And to go out partying, that costs money! And buying diapers and food, medicine, stuff costs money. A good mother would never do that, of course she would need to sleep late after going out. It's disturbing to think about. Remember the tattoo parlor guy? He said he knew Caylee because Casey would always bring her around. She seemed like a good mom to him. BUT who brings their child to hang out in a tattoo parlor???

Remeber the video of Casey in Target? She knew she was dead because she only bought things for herself. Wouldn't you have a couple cute little girl things in your cart? A growing little girl who was having a birthday soon? I know none of this is evidence, but to me it is.

 

[klmno]

I don't think this prosecution "lost" this jury like those in the OJ case.

Whatever happened to Vasco (aka the felon, for lack of better term) that was supposed to be a huge witness for the defense? Did the defense really put him on their witness list before verifying that he didn't know a single thing about George or did he ever testify? I know he got an attny and planned to talk with the attnys on the case but then he fell off my radar.

The defense wasn't allowed to get some things in (either due to the judge not allowing it with good reason or because the witnesses didn't say what Baez assumed they would) so that really blew the little hope they had. For instance, right after having that grief counselor on, he called Cindy, Gearge and Lee back. I think he thought their stories would conflict with each other and that would help build a seed of doubt in the jurors' minds that the family was so dysfunctional, this led to different behavior with grief in Casey. None of that worked, this time all the family's testimony so closely matched eaach other that the only inconcistency seemed like normal memery lapses. George couldn't remember for sure, Cindy did remember, Lee said almost the same as Cindy but his memory was better on one area while Cindy's was better in another on this topic. Also, I think this was the topic of pets dieing and how the family buried them. Baez thought all of them had been wrapped in duct tape. Cindy and Lee both said they thought most, if not all, that the family prepared themselves were wrapped in clear packing tape, with the exception of Lee saying one he buried for his grandmother being wrapped in duct tape. (I think I got all that accurate.) It didn't go as Baez planned but even if it had, I doubt it would have been enough to convince the jury. As others pointed out, duct tape is just too common of a household product and plus, the point came out that the parents learned to prepare a pet's body that way by the vet preparing them that way with the first two, which were euthanized.

If this jury finds her guilty, I tend to think they can only find reassurance in their vote once tthey are allowed to review media coverage and hear about some things the prosecution couldn't bring out in court.

I just can't get over the fact that the defense had absolutely nothing to even insinuate the probability of sex abuse by George. Surely they must have thought they had something but it went awry- maybe they initially planned to put Casey on. I bet she doesn't use the same defense team on the appeal.

 

[1905]

I hope she goes to jail forever. We're all going to need rehab after this is over, it's become an addiction. Who cares about July 4th weekend? I'm watching closing arguments tomorrow. And my house is a mess.

 

[Nancy]

Me too. I just texted my sister in law and told her I'm lost today without the trial. I am having company later and I'm getting stuff done in the house but I still miss it. We are going to need rehab, CATA (Casey Anthony Trial Addicts).

I feel so bad for the poor jury who won't get to even celebrate July 4th. I don't think they will find her guilty of first degree murder, too many witnesses who lied. But hopefully she will go away for a long long time.

What time does closing arguments start tomorrow? I plan on watching or taping if I can't watch it all.

Nancy

 

[klmno]

We're all going to need rehab after this is over, it's become an addiction.

UAN, I hear Nancy knows of a good one!

9:00am, Nancy. I won't be home but just figured out a couple of days ago that the wftv website posts videos (no commercials) of previous testimony so I assume they'll have closing arguments on so I can watch them tomorrow afternoon. The people on the jury that I feel sorry for the most are the ones who have jobs that will expect them to return to work the day after the trial is over.

 

[donna723]

"Whatever happened to Vasco (aka the felon, for lack of better term) that was supposed to be a huge witness for the defense?"

klmno, they never did call him as a witness because it came out that this man that they targeted didn't even have that cell phone number when all of this happened! Seems like the defense didn't do a very thorough job of checking it out, they just jumped on it. So if George Anthony had called that cell phone number back then, he would have been calling whoever had that number before this man got it! I'm sure the police had already checked the whole family's cell phone records and already knew this. I feel sorry for this guy who got dragged in to it and accused, just like the real "Zanny". He had already "paid his debt to society", had been out of jail for quite some time, and from what they said, has had no further problems with the law.

 

[Nancy]

ROFL klmno, yes I do know a good one.

I was thinking about this Kronk guy. Why didn't he just say look there was a small child missing, the entire community was looking for her, they were asking for anyone who had any information or leads to come forward, meter readers are the eyes and ears of the community. We often see and notice things that others don't in our daily travels. I decided I would keep my eyes open and look around while on my route and that's exactly what I did.

Nancy

 

[klmno]

I'm hoping the co-worker who testified that he told Kronk that he "bet the little girl's remains were in those woods" and that he had that idea because he heard Casey on tv saying Caylee was close to home, will answer that doubt in the jurors' minds.

So, Nancy, can you look into the costs for just renting out the entire rehab and having appropriate staff there available for, say, about 45-60 days to accommodate around 25 people so we can just go ahead and schedule our next CD meetup for the CATA group? (JK)

 

[DammitJanet]

I think I know why Kronk and his fellow meter reader guy seem so iffy. They keep saying they stopped there on the road in the shade to go take a pee and they hadnt taken their break that day so they had about 35 to 40 minutes before their shift was over so they were just going to sit there in the shade and wait before going in to clock out. Then Kronk got out to pee and saw the dead rattlesnake and everyone got enthralled with the dead rattlesnake instead of the bag.

Ok...my take on this is that the reason they are a bit shaky is that what they are hiding is that they really stopped out there for was to smoke a blunt out on that shady, vacant road. Then the rattlesnake got them more interested which makes much more sense. They sure wouldnt want to go tell the cops at the Anthony's house right then..oh...look...I just smoked a joint and I found a trashbag and a rattlesnake! Or even the media.

These guys had nothing at all to do with anyone else in the case. Just two older guys who looked like they were older potheads to me.

 

[klmno]

That crossed my mind, too, DJ. If nothing else, they were really calling it a day 45 mins prior to their workday being over and being able to return to the office and clock out. Kronk already lost his job there but that doesn't mean he'd want to sell out everyone he worked with or make himself look any worse, employment-wise.

 

[Nancy]

Hahahaha klmno.

I thought maybe the meter readers were doing something else on company time too. Perhaps they got finished quicker than they showed on their time sheets. They did look like potheads (hippies from my day) Janet.

Nancy

 

[donna723]

That could be, Janet. They also testified that if one meter reader wasn't done with his route and it was getting late, the ones who were already finished with theirs would come and help. If they were finished for the day and had a little time before quitting time, I can see them all standing around BS'ing. I can understand the rattlesnake part too. Being men, they were probably all standing around poking it with sticks and telling stories. But if you see one rattlesnake, chances are there's lots more around and if you've ever seen those swampy, thickly wooded areas in Florida, it's very obvious why they didn't just go tromping off into it! Not only rattlesnakes but water moccasins, ticks and chiggers.

 

[HaoZi]

Among other fun Florida critters (most of which are much bigger). Toss in warm weather increasing the cases of rabies, poison ivy, poison oak, poison sumac all over the woods... sometimes I wonder that I ever made to 18 the way I used to tromp around in those places.

 

[klmno]

Along those lines, I imagined myself hearing those words from a coworker, then going into the woods and thinking I actually did see human remains, but then second-guessing myself and shaking it off under the idea that I probably just imagined they were human remains because so-and-so just made that comment. However, if I went home and a day or two later I kept thinking it was possible, I might go ahead and call in a suspicious sighting, or whatever.