For those watching the Casey A. trial.....

[DDD]

I'm in self-imposed Rehab. Haven't watched for two days and I'm not watching today. Have to admit, however, I am thinking about it and in particular wondering how long the Jury will be out. Most Juries take an initial straw vote to see whether they are on the same page. Sometimes, like OJ, they reach agreement far faster than what people expect. DDD

 

[klmno]

OK, Ladies- if you were on the jury, what would be the first pieces of evidence you'd want to see?

For me, I want to see the computer searches- what was typed in, what was up on the screen long enough to print out, etc., and I want to see the specific wording of things. And I want to see exactly how the duct tape was found and if it was wrapped entirely around the head (or appears to have most likely been at some point) or what- I'm so confused about the three layers over the mouth and nose vs duct tape being wrapped all the way around the head. If it's both... well, no-brainer, in my humble opinion.

I read a little about Ashton's argument that I missed this morning- very good point to bring out that no one would stage an accidental death to look like a murder by someone else...of course if you know you are abusing your child and the death occured in the process of a felony then maybe some would consider it. But not a "real" accident like a kid getting up and finding his/her way to the pool.

 

[donna723]

Oh jeeez, I wish that idiot Baez would shut up! I hope he's annoying the jury as much as he is me! He is so sneaky and deceptive! He's bringing things up that were already refuted before by the prosecution - I guess he's hoping that the jury forgot. He made a big thing out of there being no blood in the trunk of the car - if she was suffocated with duct tape and then put in several plastic bags, there would be NO blood in the trunk anyway and they've already shown that! Then trying to use a ten year old picture of Casey in a display so she would look childish and innocent!

And what Ashton said this morning about motive was what I was thinking all along. Caylee was getting older, almost three, and was getting more verbal all the time. It wouldn't have been long before she would have blown Casey's lies right out of the water and the party girl lifestyle would have come to an end!

 

[klmno]

DDD, I tend to think this is a very real possibility in this one too. I don't see it being "average". I could be wrong, of course, but I think they probably have a good feeling already about what they'll vote and just want this over with so they can get back to their lives. Now, on the other hand, if they end up in a major disagreement with a hold-out or something, it could be a nightmare.

We have to keep in mind though, the jury will be sitting there with evidence from the prosecution but none, to speak of, from the defense to prove the contrary. So it really does boil down, this time, to whether or not the prosecution has put enough in front of them to prove anything and then, how much "wrong" was Casey in the wrong, from a legal standpoint.

 

[donna723]

You have to remember though that the jury did get to see a lot of the evidence that was not shown on TV because it was too graphic.

 

[klmno]

True- those photos that would pain me to look at would really probably be the key for me between premeditated or not. Still, if the computer searches and results stayed on long enough to print out revealed that someone cared more about how to knock a kid out for a while with chloroform or how much it took to kill a toddler would go a long way in making a definitive judgement, too.

 

[DDD]

It also will be interesting to see if the Jury decides to begin deliberations immediately after being charged by the Judge or if they will wait until tomorrow. After all those weeks I personally would want to get at it asap. The Jury is exhausted and likely frustrated that the Judge was not able to keep his word on the closing date. Both attorneys and staff have to be exhausted. IF the Judge dictates when they can begin their quest and they have to wait another day...I expect they will be chapped. DDD

 

[klmno]

I speculate that he'll leave it up to them. If it was me, I'd prefer to take that preliminary vote, maybe have everyone throw out the initial thoughts, then go get some food, have some time alone to think for myself, and sleep on it before looking over any evidence in doubt and really making final deliberations.

I wonder if the jury makes a decision, say tomorrow afternoon, will the judge call the attnys and staff in on July 4 to hear it, or will he schedule it for Tues. am, and make the jury wait another night sequestered.

 

[donna723]

For me it all comes down to "who else could have possibly done it"? Nobody! They have not brought up anything at all to show that it was anyone other than Casey who did it. It's the only thing that makes any sense. And her behavior after Caylee disappeared. And all the lies to her parents about Caylee's whereabouts during that time. And the duct tape over both her nose and mouth. That's no accident!

 

[Nancy]

The judge said he will call them in to hear the verdict when the jury reaches it, no matter what day or time.

Nancy

 

[HaoZi]

Chances are most of the jury has a pretty good idea whether they think she's guilty or not by now. I will be interested to see how long deliberations take; as a general rule, the less time they take the more likely the finding is guilty.

I agree on Baez annoying the jury by now. He also increased whats-his-face's cases from 50k to 60k and obviously has no clue why someone would need tech support on a program they used to run a report on the computer. Every computer/techie I've known has spent many nights up for hours to get something done correctly. He's also flipping back on his own witnesses that ended up helping the state "You've seen they're liars." Duh, but you didn't prove that, and that's not why you brought them on board.

OMW here we are back to the duct tape.
*headdesk*
*repeat*

 

[klmno]

I don't doubt at all that Casey is solely responsible for Caylee's death. If anyone else had anything to do with the death or "disposing" of the body, it would have been the boyfriend she was sleeping with. But I don't think that happened because he'd have been thrown under the bus on day one of this trial. They chose to throw George under the bus because they thought they could get by with it. Never mind that they've gone after George for his personal character, sex abuse, hiding Caylee and lieing, and then his marriage by exploiting what really was probably a stupid marital indecretion at a weak time and under the pretense that she had a tumor (she did admit she is the one who hit on him and he's the one who ended it all) but not really a love affair.

I've missed portions of eveidence and testimony along the way and as everyone else not in the courtroom, haven't seen photos. If I saw something that (a photo) that appeared the duct tape was over both the nose and mouth, that would do it. Basicly, I'm saying my doubt lies in the pre-meditation vs aggravated child abuse and manslaughter. However, I read somewhere (not sure if it's true) that the first degree murder can be under two possible scenarios. One is pre-meditated. The other might have been killing someone in the process of a felonious act, but I'm not positive. That would carry a lot of weight in my mind.

 

[HaoZi]

Florida - First-degree murder; felony murder; capital drug trafficking; capital sexual battery.
^ These are the crimes that can net the death penalty in Florida; yes, felony-murder doctrine applies.

 

[DammitJanet]

Can I transport myself through the tv and strangle Baez? The man is grating on my last nerve. Baez is absolutely gfgish in his stupid behaviors in that courtroom. He needs medication...or maybe he is on some...maybe he is drunk. He acts like some sort of fool fighting over a bone. And hasnt his 4 hours already been over? I thought we broke for lunch and he was on then! Didnt he say Mason was going to speak some too? He isnt leaving him much time.

I swear I am not gonna wanna hear the word fantasy again for a long long time. And Pulease...LEAVE George alone for the last freaking time! George didnt do it. Baez actually admitted that at the beginning of the stupid trial. Leave it be.

They have now said that the Anthony's are negligent in not child-proofing the house...hello...wasnt Caylee CASEY's daughter? Wasnt it HER job to make sure the house was safe for a toddler? Wasnt it Casey's job to make sure SHE got up in the morning's to watch her daughter?

Seems to me that the Anthony's raised their two kids to adulthood without them dying so they werent negligent. Casey was.

I tell or told, Cory all the time when Keyana was here that it was HIS job to watch her in the mornings because I sleep in. Duh.

 

[klmno]

Lord help us all if the judge declares a mistrial.

 

[Mattsmom277]

First time wading into this very daunting thread lol. Just wanted to say regardless of what side of the fence people are on with this, laughing is highly inappropriate and prejudicial. I've heard tell that both sides have played fast and loose with this type of tactic in the court, is that correct for those who have been watching? This is my first time watching footage and I was shocked a prosecutor would laugh during closing arguments in a murder trial, especially one with the twists and turns this one took, and involving the death of a child and in a potential death penalty case. What on earth was the prosecutor thinking to laugh like that? Even if the defense team did a thousand times worse in proceedings, this is a state representative in a major case with such a high profile. And he's laughing less than 10 ft from the jury? He can think the defense is absurd but why would he stoop to sarcastic laughter in sight of a jury? I found it shameful and if I was on the jury I'd have a hard time listening to him and he's up next right? I'd be angry at this as a human being taking a trial as the serious business it is. And again, I've heard both sides have pushed the boundaries these past weeks. Why would either side take this chance? Defense doing so can prejudice a jury toward the defendent. Prosecutors doing so can alternately offend jury members and give credibility to the defense claims that he is a joke as his evidence.

 

[DammitJanet]

Well, what the defense attorney was saying was absolutely awful and this has been weeks and weeks of this junk where Baez has doing this stuff and getting away with it. Baez has smirked his way all during the trial. Called everyone names every single day of this trial. He has lied and lied. He keeps focusing on the father...its absurd. I cannot stand the man.

I had thought about going into law once. Now Im glad I didnt because I could never handle dealing with people like him. I would smirk at him too.

OMG...he just said he isnt accusing George of murdering Caylee...oh yeah he has.

He is an ass. He is such a stupid idiot. Okay, blame the father because he tells the truth about his daughter. So I guess all of us arent true loving parents!

 

[klmno]

And now Baez is going after George because George didn't throw himself under the bus for Casey???? Is he serious?

 

[donna723]

And another thing ... if it really had been an accident, they would have been jumping up and down about it being an accident three years ago when Casey was first arrested and explaining how it happened! Would someone like Casey sit in jail for THREE YEARS and not bother to mention that it had been an ACCIDENT??? Makes absolutely no sense!

 

[DammitJanet]

I know....K...obviously he doesnt know what it means to be a warrior parent. We all need to make a trip down to his office and hang his butt up by his toenails. Maybe if we all sent him emails about what its like to raise difficult child's and how sometimes you have to stand strong and do the right thing.

Someone stop me...I am headed to Florida!