How can we help our son?

Pepper.

New Member
Hi, this is my first post. I’ve been reading a lot here in the last week or so. I actually googled, ”can I kick my adult son out of the house“ and it brought me here. My 21yo son is a schizophrenic.

Some background, my husband and I have three children, the difficult child is our oldest son, age 21. Looking back, he probably is on the autism spectrum and definitely has ADHD It we didn’t treat it. He always excelled academically in school so we thought he would outgrow it. He never really was able to have successful friendships, though. I admit we were a busy family with sports and clubs and should have recognized he needed some help.

He started using marajuana when he was 17. He didn’t much drink and I figured it was normal, I smoked plenty of pot in high school and college. During his junior and senior year he held a part time job at a department store and was doing well. He got into a good college near us and lived on campus for a year. Grades were ok. Beginning his sophomore year, he told us he wanted to live at home and commute to school. We said fine. Then the pandemic hit.

Things go downhill fast from here. During lockdown he never left his room. He would order Door Dash once a day, and maybe use the bathroom a couple times. His curtains were drawn constantly. What we didn’t know was that he was doing huge amounts of high level cannabis through vaping and edibles.
This continued until one day last October (2020) when he came down the stairs and spoke to my husband and I with complete gibberish. That’s what I called it then. Now I know it was disorganized speech. It sacred us so much we took him to the ER and he was admitted for a 24 hour hold. He’s very smart and adept at fooling doctors, police, etc. and can pull it together to say the right things to seem ok.
Within a day we took him to a psychiatrist who diagnosed him with Cannabis Induced Psychosis. He was given medications to take. Well, he googled the medications and one of them, Seraquel I think, was labeled as anti-psychotic and he wouldn’t take it because he thinks he doesn’t have that, only ADHD.

We got him to agree to take an anti-depressent and things chugged along for awhile until September 2021. He turned 21 in April and stopped using cannabis and switched to beer. A lot of beer, like 12+ beers a night. He began harassing his friends in the evening and getting into loud arguments. His disrupted our home greatly. My daughter needs to study and do homework, it is triggering for me because I grew up in a home with drunkennes, fighting, abuse, cops showing up, etc. During the past few months, he was acting very strange, not looking us in the eye, turning his whole head away from anyone he crossed paths with. i Forgot to mention that his good friend died in March 2020 and he started telling us that his friend was calling him, his name popped up on his phone, etc. I believe this was a hallucination.

this is already so long, sorry. So, Thanksgiving came and he was super combative to my husband. This was on going but getting worse and worse. He would project onto him things we felt he thought about himself, ie. Why are you such a loser? You can’t even hold down a job. My husband has a grea job that he is successful at), I have to go everywhere with you to stop you from embarrassing yourself (My husband literally brings him on errands just to get hom out of the house like we used to do when the kids were toddlers), etc.
I had just found this forum and decided to tell him that he can no longer live here if he continues to drink. He said fine, I’ll leave but you have to pay for the hotel. Against my wishes, my husband agreed just to keep the peace so we could have a nice, normal thanksgiving. And we did. After that, we told him we were only paying up to Monday night and that if he agreed to see a doctor and get into treatment, he could come home but he refused. I told him on the phone that that was my last offer. I’m sorry son, I love you but you cannot come home and we won’t be sending you any money. This was a horrible moment for me. I felt like I had to choose between him destroying the four of us or us destroying him. Brutal.

he checked into a hotel and has since been attacking us through texts. We sent the mobile crisis unit to his hotel (his friend knew where he was staying) in hopes of getting a 5150 but he knew to calmly say, I am not a danger to myself or others. They could do nothing. This angered him so much that he called the police on us three times in one day falsely reporting there was abuse in the house. The second time he even said my husband was sexually abusing me. I had to speak separately with the police to assure them I am fine and my son is sick. The last time they showed up was at 10:30pm, I was in my pajamas. It was humiliating. Through the last 8 days he has created group texts and included family that live on the other side of the county, my mother, (his grandmother), my brother (his uncle), and two of his friends. He says horrible things about us both, like we are disgraces to our families, I am a b*tch @ss Ho who shouldn’t have had any kids. He also said he knows who his real birth mother is and I need to stop using him to get a tax break. I’m crying as I type this because the most important thing in my liFe is being a mother. I’ve been a stay home mom for 21 years. Devoted myself to volunteering at their schools, driving carpools, baking muffins for sports teams, doing everything for them. And I love doing it but to hear him say these vile things is killing me. I can’t take the pain so I’ve blocked his number on my phone. Unfortunately, my husband won’t because he wants to make sure he’s alive.

my Son has a car we bought for him and three maxed out credit cards. One has a couple thousand left on it. The money is going to run out and then what will he do? I think we can use that as leverage but he’s so bad right now with his illness, delusions, etc. Any time we have texted him he erupts into madness on the family group texts. It’s just awful for my mom to have to see. She is 76 but an active lady. She’s been through a lot in her life and is a rock for me right now.

oh, he’s also texted to my husband 5 or 6 texts that basically say, “if you come near me, I will fire upon you”, “You can die quickly or this can be drawn out”. We think he’s projecting. He has no firearms and no way to get one but we changed the locks anyway and are looking into getting a restraining order. I cannot believe this has happened all in the last week. I don’t know how I am surviving this. It feels like the worst, most painful grief imaginable. I’m trying to keep it together for my other two kids, especially as the holidays are here. We were picking out a tree at the Christmas tree lot and I get a text from him that says, “I’m taking down your entire family”. I actually laughed out loud at the absurdity of it. That night I blocked him and it’s been a huge help.

if you read this, thank you. Any advice? Suggestions? How will we ever get through this?
 

Nomad

Well-Known Member
I’m so sorry.
Why did he say that about knowing who his real mother is?
Is he adopted?
Does he take medications for his illness?
Where is he now?
He is clearly a danger to himself and others. Particularly you and your family. So stay away. Don’t take most of what he says seriously …but take threats of violence very seriously. Call the police if he threatens you.
Consider going to Families Anonymous. Local support can be very helpful. I’m in a bad way currently myself. I’m sure others will be around to provide insight. Sending good thoughts.
 
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Deni D

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Pepper so sorry to hear of your families troubles. It certainly does sound like your son has a mental illness. It could be drug induced but since he switched from massive amounts of pot to massive amounts of beer and he's having the same issues it's most likely genetic. Is he adopted? If so, do you have any info on the bi-parents? If not, is there a history in yours or your husbands family? Knowing this genic info right now probably won't help a whole lot but down the road it could. If he has a genetic predisposition to mental illness then if/when he decides to help himself concentrating on the mental health side is important, substance somewhat lesser, kind of, too much to say that you don't need to hear right now on this.

You knew to send the mental health mobile crises unit to the hotel, so you have a leg up on a lot of people. He on the other hand knows the words to say to keep them from putting him on a 5150, Baker act, 72 hour hold. I do think he needs a hospitalization but really a 72 hour hold doesn't do much if they don't follow up with an IOP program. My son had many 72 hour holds and then graduated to a week and a half a couple of times when he finally, aside from the hospitalizations, decided to deal with the reality of his situation. He has a mental illness, he is not a mental illness as he was afraid of, but he knows it will take over if he doesn't keep moving to take care of himself these days.

That stuff, those horrible words coming from your son, are not about you as you already know. He projects and he says jaw dropping things to you and about you to relatives because he needs someone to blame right now, I've had the same. No way you should accept that, and to block him on your part as long as his father has a way for him to communicate with him I think is really good. For now maybe you can talk to the relatives who he's reaching out to and ask them to stop taking any communications from him. I had the same, calls to my friends, my family, from my son "explaining" how horrible I was to him as he was growing up, except they were there and saw how different it was, he got shut down, compassionately, but was very frustrated. On my son's father's side, I know there was some playing along with what he said about me, from idiots, people who should have known better from their own experiences with mental illness in that family. I've developed a thick skin on that bit, don't care one whit what they think of me. They should really know better and if they haven't figured it out by these days too bad, I don't care, want nothing to do with them and their drama.

It seems like COVID caused your son to become isolated, as it has many people, and caused so many mental issues for people. Also the loss of a good friend of his. We don't know how being hit in the face with mortality affects people but if it they can't process it in a healthy way it could really mess them up. But prior ~ he excelled in school, held down a part time job and went to college for a year. Very good signs of some success in his life. Not having success with friendships in early years, especially if he is on the autism spectrum, is no indication of how well rounded and content someone will be as an adult.

How to help your son, though, the main dilemma. The problem is you can't, not until he decides he needs help. My son proved that to me for 10 long, very painful years. I think though if there was someone in my son's life who he would have listened to, someone who was not as invested in him as I was (worrying and on top of him all of the time) and not as bullying, through guilt, as his father was, someone who was "less than" we were to his ego it would have really helped him. Is there someone in your son's life who can talk to him and get through to him? A calming, non judgmental person who can say "you're messing up right now, you need help, and you know it. Get the help to put yourself back on track or continue on this hamster wheel until you can't stand it any longer if you insist. But I will help you help yourself when you are ready, won't do it for you though, it's up to you, whenever you are ready"? If he has someone like that in his life I think they might be able to help him find his path.
 

Copabanana

Well-Known Member
“I’m taking down your entire family”
Please save these texts and document anything and everything, to make a paper trail. In my state I believe this would be both a felony crime and also grounds for involuntary hospitalization. More than this, it is scary. I would not assume this is just crazy talk. If he is indeed psychotic and angry although unlikely, he could act on it. I would take every violent and distorted thing he says seriously, in the sense that it is evidence to get him treatment and at minimum, to keep him away from the family. But most importantly, because there could be a kernel of truth in it.

There is a type of schizophrenia that can lead to violence against family members. I was told once by a mother on this site, that mothers can be the most likely target of violence. This is not something to minimize. Eventually this mother needed to get a long-term restraining order. But that was after many years of trying to care for him in her home. She could not face the reality, I think, until her life was at stake.

There are very many elements that are similar in our stories, and our sons' stories. More on that later, as I don't have much time now. My son is able to impress and charm the police too. They treat me like I am an idiot.

The last thing to do is to personalize this. You were a wonderful mother. You are a fabulous person. You just can't take to heart what he is saying.

As far as your son running out of money, that might be a good thing, because you might have leverage. He desperately needs detoxing, diagnosis, medication and treatment.

For many years I believed that the symptoms were marijuana-induced. Now I believe my son self-medicates, but the marijuana is less and less effective. I have no pat answers for you. I've been involved in this dance for more than 10 years. I have had no luck yet in getting my son to go along with treatment. I am triggered by my son too, because I grew up with abuse. It was only when I dissociated as he was pushing in my back door that I took seriously that I could not cope, that I had nothing left to give. But the thing is, we're mothers. It's impossible for me to not care and to not keep trying to think of ways that this could be turned around. It's unbearable to believe this will be our reality the rest of our lives. I am learning to bear the unbearable.

But first we need to be safe. I am glad you found us. I've been here 6 or 7 years or more, I've lost track. I don't know how I could have gone on without this community. Welcome.
 

MissLulu

Well-Known Member
Dear Pepper, you are not alone.

I'm exhausted right now from an episode with my own mentally ill child (25). I live in Australia and the mental health system is different here, but broken just the same. I am afraid for my son but as he is a grown adult there is no way for me to get him help. He needs to want to help himself.

Our stories sound similar in a way. I have three kids and my difficult one is the eldest. My other kids are wonderful. Like you, I have spent a lot of time volunteering and participating in my kids' lives and have always tried to provide them with a warm, loving home and rich and varied experiences. I have spent a lot of time thinking about what I could have done differently, but in the end that is not a rabbit hole worth going down. I did my best and you did too.

Your son's condition is not your fault. Nor is something you can change. Only he can do that. I think you are right to prioritise the safety of the rest of your family first. I agree with Copa re the paper trail. I have not done this in the past and - like your son - my son is good at presenting a normal face when he has to. I wish I had been smarter about documenting his episodes. Keeping evidence might help you down the track to get him admitted or to get a restraining order if necessary.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you, but I'm glad you found us.
 

Pepper.

New Member
I’m so sorry.
Why did he say that about knowing who his real mother is?
Is he adopted?
Does he take medications for his illness?
Where is he now?
He is clearly a danger to himself and others. Particularly you and your family. So stay away. Don’t take most of what he says seriously …but take threats of violence very seriously. Call the police if he threatens you.
Consider going to Families Anonymous. Local support can be very helpful. I’m in a bad way currently myself. I’m sure others will be around to provide insight. Sending good thoughts.
Thank you for your reply. I am his birth mother. He is NOT adopted. This is just one of his drunken delusions, I think. He said this in the big family text so everyone can see it. We think he believes it as he’s also currently accusing my husband of having a second family and having 5 half-siblings. It’s crazy stuff. All lies.

He is currently taking generic Wellbutrin and coming off of Vivance which his doctor wouldn’t renew because he wouldn’t sign off on his medical records being transferred. The doctor that prescribed the Vivance (similar to Adderall I believe) is an ADHD specialist in our area. My son only agreed to see him because he thinks he only has ADHD. He acted well enough in the initial appointment. that he was given that script.

Hes currently in an extended stay hotel about 40 minutes from us.
 

Pepper.

New Member
Thank you to all who have responded. This site has actually floored me with the genuine care given and the honest stories I’ve read. It seems like a true gift to me in my desperate time of need. I need to get to sleep now but look forward to replying to you all tomorrow.
 

RN0441

100% better than I was but not at 100% yet
Welcome Pepper

You have gotten great advice here and many (most) of us have "been there". I actually remember when my son locked himself in his room with a 1/2 gallon of whiskey. When we demanded he come out he literally punched a hole in his bedroom door! It reminded me of "The Shining"!! We were floored and I was scared of him; as he is the gentlest person you could ever meet when sober. The police came and he jumped out of his second story window and ran. He was not harmed.

That is just one night of many crazy years with him and my nerves are still shot and I also have PTSD from an alcoholic mother and father that beat her and cops coming to my childhood home. I get it. I get all of it.

What I did then is find a therapist that specialized in addiction. I needed the one-on-one. When I went to groups it got me more depressed and I felt doomed. I know groups help many though.

I also did and still do PRAY a lot. I know that is what got me through. It was a very very slow process but now my son is doing well. His final stay of 13 months in a Christian program in Memphis is what finally turned his life and our life around. We were fortunate as our son wanted to be in our lives and there was no way I wanted him in my life unless he changed.

My therapist helped me create firm boundaries for myself and for him. I was learning to detach with love. I found that I had so many tools within myself that I had not tapped into. I felt that all of my childhood pain had prepared me for the hardest fight of my life.

My son knew that I meant business. I honestly felt that I could walk away from him. There was no greater pain but through my faith I knew that I could do it.

Stay with us because this site, my faith in God, my therapist and my loving husband got me through this. This won't last forever. It will end eventually.

:notalone: :staystrong:
 

Pepper.

New Member
If not, is there a history in yours or your husbands family? Knowing this genic info right now probably won't help a whole lot but down the road it could. If he has a genetic predisposition to mental illness then if/when he decides to help himself concentrating on the mental health side is important, substance somewhat lesser, kind of, too much to say that you don't need to hear right now on this.
Thank you for your reply Deni D. He is my biological son and no, there is not any bipolar or schizophrenia in our families, that we know of. There is depression, alcoholism, anxiety, but nothing like what my son has. My maternal grandmother committed suicide at age 82. She became terrified that my grandpa would die before her leaving her all alone. She was in and out of holds on and off for a few months before she killed herself but prior to that, she lead a normal life, raising two kids, traveling the country in their RV in retirement, hosting holidays, etc.

I like what you said about finding a more neutral person to speak with him. He idolizes his Uncle and maybe that is something we can use down the line. Hadn’t thought of that.

im sorry to hear that your son also spewed lies and hatred publicly to your family and friends. This bothers me SO MUCH. I can’t help but think that maybe they believe there is some truth to it even though we’ve told them it’s all lies. And I’ve never before heard my son speak the way he is right now with swear words and degrading words about women (me). It’s like he’s a completely different person. He was always so sweet, quiet, kind person. Where is that boy? I think I may never see that boy ever again and it feels like a death. It kills me to walk up my stairs because we have so many family photos on the walls and I see his beautiful smiling face at all ages. I miss him. Crying again..
 

Pepper.

New Member
Please save these texts and document anything and everything, to make a paper trail. In my state I believe this would be both a felony crime and also grounds for involuntary hospitalization. More than this, it is scary. I would not assume this is just crazy talk. If he is indeed psychotic and angry although unlikely, he could act on it. I would take every violent and distorted thing he says seriously, in the sense that it is evidence to get him treatment and at minimum, to keep him away from the family. But most importantly, because there could be a kernel of truth in it.

There is a type of schizophrenia that can lead to violence against family members. I was told once by a mother on this site, that mothers can be the most likely target of violence. This is not something to minimize. Eventually this mother needed to get a long-term restraining order. But that was after many years of trying to care for him in her home. She could not face the reality, I think, until her life was at stake.
Copabanana, I’ve read your story and also saw the similarities. I also read last week what you said about keeping any threatening texts or emails and my husband and I have been documenting everything. Thank you for sharing that. It may save my sons life, who knows. Right now, we absolutely have enough to get him for a 5150. We met with his psychiatrist yesterday And we agreed to wait because he is currently in a county that doesn’t have the best mental health services. The hospital that he would be brought to is a nightmare.

Our plan is to wait until he runs out of money, and comes to us demanding we give him some. We will then agree to pay for his hotel IF he returns to our county where we have excellent services. We can then 5150. The doctor also told us it might be better to focus on his getting treatment for his drinking rather than his mental illness because he knows he has a problem With that. He snapchatted his friend a picture of him drinking a beer at 10am saying, “drinking myself into an early grave”.

You said, “I am learning to bear the unbearable”. I am not yet there as this is still so new to us but I know this is going to be a long journey through hell. He either dies or we all struggle with this hell for who knows how long. I am just grateful that I have two other wonderful children that I can focus on.
 

Pepper.

New Member
Miss Lulu and RN0441,

Thank you for your compassionate replies and for sharing your stories with me. Everything I read here is a comfort to me that I am not alone in this. I plan on updating here as this whole thing unfolds. Every day I wake up and think, what’s he going to say or do today? Will this be the day the police knock on my door to tell me he’s dead? It’s hard to take. I know everyone here knows exactly how I feel…
 

BusynMember

Well-Known Member
You got such great advice. I hope you do take your sons threats seriously. I was able to see my daughter actually get violent and she could have taken my sons eye out when she lugged a glass vase at him. As it hit the wall by my son it shattered and cut his face and one piece just missed his eye. Never again did she live with us.

I wanted to bring up something.nobody mentioned. The truth is that you don't know what your son is using. It could easily be more than beer. Our particular neighborhood has a meth problem and meth can cause psychosis. There has been no diagnosis of schizophrenia. He may be using a dangerous drug that causes mental illness symptoms. See if you can get your son to sign a form saying that he allows the doctors to talk to you about his condition. If he will do that, it's gold. That is the only way you can talk to the doctors about his condition. Otherwise they can't tell you anything. Sometimes ADHD medications cause psychosis in some people too. It isn't tolerated well by everyone.

Please take care of yourself first. We had to save our family too and Kay is on her own now. She is on government programs and lives in an old motorhome with her crazy husband. But she is telling cousins that she is happy being out of the "rat race." She doesn't want to work :(

The rest of us are close and strong. We had to be. My other daughter, Kay's sister, has custody of Kay's son so at least my grandson is safe.

Wishing you the best. Sending love and prayers.
 

Acacia

Well-Known Member
How to help your son, though, the main dilemma. The problem is you can't, not until he decides he needs help.
This is the sad truth, however heartbreaking. Even if your son struggles with mental illness and substance abuse, he has to be the one who wants to change. I have two adult children who struggle with substance abuse and mental illness, and I remember saying to my therapist that it felt unkind to set boundaries when they are in such denial and in such need of help. She said to me, "Even people who are mentally ill need to say 'uncle' at some point -THEY have to come to the point of wanting help.

Your family's tolerating your son's abuse will not help him, but it will hurt you all because of the extreme stress you face because of his behavior. Setting boundaries for your safety is a loving act for you and your family. You have made some good choices. I have little to no contact with my older two because they are in denial, gaslight and manipulate, and have no regard for my well-being. I live with the sadness, but also the relief of not being a part of their instability and abuse.

Sending love and prayers.
 

JMom

Well-Known Member
Pepper,

I don't have any experience with mental illness, but drugs can cause it. Try to be kind to yourself. He is saying very hurtful things, but it is his illness talking. You know you've been a devoted mom for 21 years, do not doubt yourself. This is going to hurt like hell, but you can work through this. This is a nasty bump in the road, but we will repave it as many times as it takes, together. You are welcomed here with open arms. Post often, we love hearing from you.
Love,
JMOM
 

Nandina

Member
Pepper, I had written an earlier post, thought I could save it but ended up losing it so I’ll try again.

I am in the throes of recent events with my jailed son who consumed massive amounts of cannabis as well. I always believed him that that was all he took. Although I didn’t like the amount he was smoking,I was somewhat relieved that he didn’t do anything stronger, because I too, smoked plenty of the stuff when I was young and turned out ok. But I recently found out from him that he had tried and was using meth because it was a cheap high. He’s also done acid (not really sure what it was) and had a bad trip. He is currently experiencing a psychosis in jail.

I was wondering just based on my experience, if your son might have been doing anything stronger? My son sounds a lot like your son in his personality pre-drugs. I don’t know anything about cannabis induced psychosis, but does it make someone mean? Meth definitely does. And it really isn’t so important where it came from but that he needs treatment. But it might help explain the behavior because I saw a total 180 in my son very soon after meth use. I understand that sometimes it can be temporary, but It can also bring out latent psychosis. I pray your son is not or has not used it.

This is my first experience with a loved one’s serious mental illness so I don’t know how much help I can be, but just know that you are not alone. There is great advice on this forum.

My thoughts are with you and your family during this difficult time in what should be a season of joy. I wish you peace and calm so you can be present for the rest of your family.

Hugs, Nandina
 

Pepper.

New Member
Nandina, I would never have believed that he would do meth but recently he’s been accusing my husband and I of being “meth heads” and illegal drug users. He often projects so who knows. And it would explain his horrible vitriol he’s spewing on us.

this is going to be hard to read but I want you guys to know this. It’s been unbearable. These are the things he’s saying to my husband, his loving and adoring dad Through a large group text with extended family and friends on it.

“Lmao I’m about to blow dad away with a .227 fagger dagger”

”I got a sport that will appeal to everyone. It’s called dodge [his name] shots. You pull up, I unload a clip onto you, you try to dodge them. If you make it past the first one I grab the sub automatic and unload that :censored2:. This ak47 hold a 100.”

“Should we hit [husbands first name] with a 50 cal. Even if he wises up with a vest ain’t gonna stop that”

“Who would be willing to accept $500 to slash [husbands name] tires” He then listed his car make and model, and the last 3 digits of his plate, I guess he couldn’t remember the first set of numbers/letters.

“Anyone who sends proof of slashed tires and broken windows will get $517 cashapp“

”if I see [husbands name] I am going to mangle him so badly they won’t even identify with dental”

Today he contacted our local humane society and said we were abusing our dog. he took a picture of the email he sent them and put it on the family group text. We had to call and explain the situation.

Two days ago he sent a picture of a confirmation that he sent to the DEA. The [email protected] DEA where he reported us for using meth. Luckily we’ve not heard from them but I am terrified anytime I’m alone in the house that the police will show up again or that he might. I’m scared out of my mind. My husband is still unwilling to have him 5150’d or arrested. He thinks he’s just bs-ing. But he’s not a woman. And we know to fear men.

sorry to have you read all this crap. Just wanted to update. The harassing texts and emails are constant. Every day and night. He’s relentless in his hatred of us. I’m so angry at him most of the time but then sadness creeps in that he’s my son who I love with all my heart. It’s torturous. I cannot believe all this has happened since Thanksgiving weekend.
 

Nandina

Member
I am so sorry, Pepper. Many of those sound like direct threats and can’t he be charged for that? I think I would show those texts to the authorities. And don’t take them lightly. I know you were planning to wait it out until he ran out of money and came back to you, but I can’t imagine you having to put up with this abuse until then. Stay strong.

Sending love and prayers
 

Nandina

Member
Oh, I just reread that your husband doesn’t want him arrested so I guess charges would be out of the question. Please take care until you can get this figured out.
 

Pepper.

New Member
We are looking into getting a restraining order against him. This states that he cannot have any contact with us in any way, including text or emails, directly or indirectly. This will enrage him and he will violate it but what else can we do? Continue living like this?
 

Nandina

Member
That sounds like a good idea. Hard decision to come to, I’m sure. I had thought about something earlier— although you will have the restraining order, he will still be posting relatives and friends on the list, right? Are those folks aware that he is lying and manipulating? I can’t imagine how awful it is to have this kind of smear campaign going on about you. My goodness! It would crush me. You are remarkably strong.

But if I were them, I would block him (and surely some have). That would be ideal if his message couldn’t reach anyone. But, would he get mad? Would he even know? Sorry, I’m just speculating “what ifs.”

It sounds like you guys are making good progress, hard as this is. Your son desperately needs help and I know you will make sure he gets it. Hugs
 
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