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Nomad
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Shari...she got one year for each count of misleading police. A total of four years. But this also includes time served. Some say she might actually remain in jail only a few months more...all up in the air right now...we should know soon.
I also agree that reform is necessary. I can not believe that with this much circumstantial evidence, a conviction is impossible. It does certainly lead to the possibility of the perfect crime and it is grossly disturbing. REFORM!
I had a feeling that this judge would give her the maximum, but after the mess of a verdict...well, I didn't want to get my hopes up. He looked sickened by it all. And did you all catch the smooth/slick move of the defense providing that info. to the clerk without anyone else getting it only this morning? This way, the State of Fla. was not prepared and had to prepare a defense on the fly.
I DO hope that positive reforms of various kinds result of this tragedy. I feel conflict saying this, but I DO hope that her parents learn a valuable lesson...hard to say. It'll take a huge amount of professional help, a huge amount of personal effort, a huge amount of insight, a huge amount of forgiveness, some hard choices, personal strength and of course help from God Almighty...but with all that, I think they can heal and move forward if that is what they would like.
I agree Shari and Donna...she was disappointed (poor thing) that she wasn't going home today. Why wouldn't she be? She's been given a pass for "stuff" all her life and this situation was the ULTIMATE PASS OF ALL TIME. There are no words for how disturbing this all is.
I essentially have NO hope for Casey Anthony. My gut is screaming at me that she will mess up in a grand way some time in the future and that justice will be served. Again, I only hope that no one is hurt along the way.
I also agree that reform is necessary. I can not believe that with this much circumstantial evidence, a conviction is impossible. It does certainly lead to the possibility of the perfect crime and it is grossly disturbing. REFORM!
I had a feeling that this judge would give her the maximum, but after the mess of a verdict...well, I didn't want to get my hopes up. He looked sickened by it all. And did you all catch the smooth/slick move of the defense providing that info. to the clerk without anyone else getting it only this morning? This way, the State of Fla. was not prepared and had to prepare a defense on the fly.
I DO hope that positive reforms of various kinds result of this tragedy. I feel conflict saying this, but I DO hope that her parents learn a valuable lesson...hard to say. It'll take a huge amount of professional help, a huge amount of personal effort, a huge amount of insight, a huge amount of forgiveness, some hard choices, personal strength and of course help from God Almighty...but with all that, I think they can heal and move forward if that is what they would like.
I agree Shari and Donna...she was disappointed (poor thing) that she wasn't going home today. Why wouldn't she be? She's been given a pass for "stuff" all her life and this situation was the ULTIMATE PASS OF ALL TIME. There are no words for how disturbing this all is.
I essentially have NO hope for Casey Anthony. My gut is screaming at me that she will mess up in a grand way some time in the future and that justice will be served. Again, I only hope that no one is hurt along the way.
klmno
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I thought he said $1000 for each count PLUS court costs. The fees and costs that will be determined in August are for the investigation that resulted from her lies. That's why I was wondering what court costs are in this case- do they have to be the typical amount or can they be adjusted based on the time and energy spent on this particular case?
Also, although I'm not so sure that the time served can be counted for the months she spent behind bars serving a previous conviction (the check fraud), I think that's what they are going over now in the courtroom. Also, two other thoughts- I wonder if judge might had let her out today but was a little frustrated over the defense still tryng to whittle this down even more. Second, I wonder if he tried to keep her in a few more weeks just for her own safety- to give the public time to cool down a little bit. Also, the way the judge said if she couldn't afford an attny, a PD would be appointed (if she chose to appeal) and it sounded a little vague if that would mean they might not allow Baez to remain her attny- most people don't get to choose their attny if they get a PD.
Also, although I'm not so sure that the time served can be counted for the months she spent behind bars serving a previous conviction (the check fraud), I think that's what they are going over now in the courtroom. Also, two other thoughts- I wonder if judge might had let her out today but was a little frustrated over the defense still tryng to whittle this down even more. Second, I wonder if he tried to keep her in a few more weeks just for her own safety- to give the public time to cool down a little bit. Also, the way the judge said if she couldn't afford an attny, a PD would be appointed (if she chose to appeal) and it sounded a little vague if that would mean they might not allow Baez to remain her attny- most people don't get to choose their attny if they get a PD.
Shari
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Thanks, Nomad. I assumed by her pouty face that she wasn't leaving today.
I'm not sure I love JP, Nancy...didn't he have the power to overrule the jury's verdict or retry the case?
But I agree...at least he did give her the max he could and it honestly looks like they are digging for everything they can.
So I need to correct my earlier prediction made on Tuesday that a replacement for Caylee would be here in 9 months and 2 days. Apparently its gonna take a tad bit longer due to technical difficulties. "We interrupt the previously scheduled programming...."
I'm not sure I love JP, Nancy...didn't he have the power to overrule the jury's verdict or retry the case?
But I agree...at least he did give her the max he could and it honestly looks like they are digging for everything they can.
So I need to correct my earlier prediction made on Tuesday that a replacement for Caylee would be here in 9 months and 2 days. Apparently its gonna take a tad bit longer due to technical difficulties. "We interrupt the previously scheduled programming...."
donna723
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klmno, the way I understood it was that it was a $1,000 fine/one year on each count, PLUS court costs PLUS the expense the police incurred from chasing down all the lies she told ("Zanny", etc.). Those can get really high because they usually add in everything it cost them including overtime salaries of the ones who worked the case, even the gas they used in their cars! It gets very complicated.
I'm still not clear on the check charges. Did she ever serve any time on those charges before she was arrested this time? If she had any jail time on those charges that she hadn't served, they may be counting it as running concurrent to the jail time she's already served since she was arrested this time.
And if they're smart, they will not publicly announce the date when she will be released.
I'm still not clear on the check charges. Did she ever serve any time on those charges before she was arrested this time? If she had any jail time on those charges that she hadn't served, they may be counting it as running concurrent to the jail time she's already served since she was arrested this time.
And if they're smart, they will not publicly announce the date when she will be released.
klmno
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Or she could be getting released right now- maybe JP knew that with time served and reductions for good behavior, that would allow release today but he didn't want that made public. No, I doubt they will release the date to the public. When the attnys were discussing the Aug 25 date with JP, JP seemed pretty confident when he said Casey wouldn't be there then (as in, held in jail by that point).
As far as the check charges, I'm not sure where I heard this or if it was true but I had it in my head that she had been on a suspended sentence for those and when she got arrested for this or something happened, that suspension was revoked so I would hope that the time served for those isn't also going to be allowed to count for this.
As far as the check charges, I'm not sure where I heard this or if it was true but I had it in my head that she had been on a suspended sentence for those and when she got arrested for this or something happened, that suspension was revoked so I would hope that the time served for those isn't also going to be allowed to count for this.
donna723
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Shari, there is no way that Judge Perry can overrule the jury's "Not Guilty" verdict. I get the feeling that if he could, he would have! Once they say "Not Guilty", that's it, and she can never be charged with it again. Had she been found Guilty, they could appeal and request a new trial but the Not Guilty verdict stands.
The judge has no power to overrule the jury's verdict because she was acquitted. If she had been found guilty he could have overruled that.
I am ready to move on. I will never understand the jury's reasoning. I think if you ask all twelve you will get twelve different answers. I don't think some of them understood they could have found her guilty of a lesser offense and some thought she was innocent. I believe in the years to come they will question themselves. I hope int he future something is done to help jury's understand that reasonable doubt means reasonable doubt and that you do not have to prove the cause of death to know there is a murder and that common sense does not have to be left at the door.
I'm ready to turn my attentions to helping make sure this doesn't happen again.
Nancy
I am ready to move on. I will never understand the jury's reasoning. I think if you ask all twelve you will get twelve different answers. I don't think some of them understood they could have found her guilty of a lesser offense and some thought she was innocent. I believe in the years to come they will question themselves. I hope int he future something is done to help jury's understand that reasonable doubt means reasonable doubt and that you do not have to prove the cause of death to know there is a murder and that common sense does not have to be left at the door.
I'm ready to turn my attentions to helping make sure this doesn't happen again.
Nancy
klmno
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I agree. I hope I never get so caught up in a case again. The last time I did, it was over OJ and I swore the same thing then. I kept up minimally with Michael Jackson's.
I read that a complaint over Cheney Mason flipping a bird has been made with the Fl bar. I hear that Cindy & George are acting delighted over this outcome. Maybe it's true that they were so enabling, intentionally or not, that it effected the outcome and it's so dysfunctional that no justice system can unravel it. Although I think the jury chosen had a lot to do with it. Still, I guess Cindy & George can decide if they have forgiven Casey and pretend this was just a horrible accident and if they are going to pay for all of Casey's fines and fees or if they all use this as an excuse to "have to " sell the story in order to pay for what the judge ordered. Oh, and I hear that Casey wants to either adopt or have another baby.
Oh flip- and now there's rumor that Baez has signed a deal for him and Casey to appear on tabloid tv.
Good mother? Too good to ever kill her baby? I wouldn't want her as a daughter in law or mother of my grandbaby.
I'm glad I don't live in Fl.
I read that a complaint over Cheney Mason flipping a bird has been made with the Fl bar. I hear that Cindy & George are acting delighted over this outcome. Maybe it's true that they were so enabling, intentionally or not, that it effected the outcome and it's so dysfunctional that no justice system can unravel it. Although I think the jury chosen had a lot to do with it. Still, I guess Cindy & George can decide if they have forgiven Casey and pretend this was just a horrible accident and if they are going to pay for all of Casey's fines and fees or if they all use this as an excuse to "have to " sell the story in order to pay for what the judge ordered. Oh, and I hear that Casey wants to either adopt or have another baby.
Oh flip- and now there's rumor that Baez has signed a deal for him and Casey to appear on tabloid tv.
Good mother? Too good to ever kill her baby? I wouldn't want her as a daughter in law or mother of my grandbaby.
I'm glad I don't live in Fl.
DammitJanet
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I am so ticked off. George and Cindy smiling and mugging for the camera's. Hugging the cops in the court room that helped escort them in and out each day. Dressed to the nines today.
I heard the juror last night say that she couldnt come to a decision because she didnt want to decide the punishment. Excuse me, that wasnt her job! A juror decides on guilt on whatever part of the charge in front of them not the punishment the defendant might get.
I do think the juror were bored and tired and just wanted it over with. They let the fact that Baez said George sexually abused Casey and that was it. Plus that one juror had plans for today so...it was over. They knew if they found her guilty on anything, they would be held till today at least for sentencing so she was found not guilty. No doubt in my mind.
And what really irks me, she got convicted for 6 felonies related to check charges and evidently she was given less punishment than Cory! Obviously she isnt being made to be on probation for it or being made to repay the money. Is she going to get probation for these charges of lying to the police? Even here misdemeanors get probation. Plus...will she have to tell everyone she is a felon or are they going to expunge her record for her too?
I heard the juror last night say that she couldnt come to a decision because she didnt want to decide the punishment. Excuse me, that wasnt her job! A juror decides on guilt on whatever part of the charge in front of them not the punishment the defendant might get.
I do think the juror were bored and tired and just wanted it over with. They let the fact that Baez said George sexually abused Casey and that was it. Plus that one juror had plans for today so...it was over. They knew if they found her guilty on anything, they would be held till today at least for sentencing so she was found not guilty. No doubt in my mind.
And what really irks me, she got convicted for 6 felonies related to check charges and evidently she was given less punishment than Cory! Obviously she isnt being made to be on probation for it or being made to repay the money. Is she going to get probation for these charges of lying to the police? Even here misdemeanors get probation. Plus...will she have to tell everyone she is a felon or are they going to expunge her record for her too?
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Nomad
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Donna...I for one certainly got the impression that the judge did NOT WANT CA to have the same attorney if she appealed. Her attorney started to say (it seems) that he would do it for free and the judge frowned....and he backed off. IT was weird and seem to imply "things."
Who said six days? She might be leaving jail in six days?
Having just left Orlando...my gut (again) tells me this will not sit well over there and yes, it might be a very good idea for court/jail officials not to say the exact day and time.
My atty friend says better a guilty person go free than an innocent one get convicted. I get this. However, this scenario is a set up for the perfect crime and an innocent child was murdered. My fear is that a smart sociopath can and will pick up on this in a heartbeat.
REFORM REFORM REFORM
This whole thing is so very tragic.
Who said six days? She might be leaving jail in six days?
Having just left Orlando...my gut (again) tells me this will not sit well over there and yes, it might be a very good idea for court/jail officials not to say the exact day and time.
My atty friend says better a guilty person go free than an innocent one get convicted. I get this. However, this scenario is a set up for the perfect crime and an innocent child was murdered. My fear is that a smart sociopath can and will pick up on this in a heartbeat.
REFORM REFORM REFORM
This whole thing is so very tragic.
klmno
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OMG, DJ, don't get me started on fairness with this as compared to what our boys have gotten. Here, i kid could stay in juvie (the juvenile jail) for weeks or months awaiting trial, having trial postponed while admin or competency hearings take place, etc, before the actual trial for the case. If the kid is found guilty and turned over to Department of Juvenile Justice (juvenile prison), NONE of that time gets to be counted. The clock starts ticking the day the order is given and not one day sooner. Period.
She is going to be released Wednseday of next week.
And the judge just decided to release the names of the jurors after a week. Tons of people are in an uproar over this and want to look into whether or not the jury understood the instructions, etc..
If she appeals this, she's stupid, in my humble opinion. Another judge could decide to give her four years and NOT count time served. But somehow, maybe Cindy will bail her out of that, too.
After time to reflect, I can't believe the a school teacher and others on that jury really didn't think there was any evidence of a crime. Heck, the sd got POd at my son and blamed him for one hint of a violation. BS- this jury was whacked.
She is going to be released Wednseday of next week.
And the judge just decided to release the names of the jurors after a week. Tons of people are in an uproar over this and want to look into whether or not the jury understood the instructions, etc..
If she appeals this, she's stupid, in my humble opinion. Another judge could decide to give her four years and NOT count time served. But somehow, maybe Cindy will bail her out of that, too.
After time to reflect, I can't believe the a school teacher and others on that jury really didn't think there was any evidence of a crime. Heck, the sd got POd at my son and blamed him for one hint of a violation. BS- this jury was whacked.
DammitJanet
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Looks like it is storming in FL. Somehow I dont think that is unintentional. Maybe it will have a hurricane and destroy the jail before she can be released.
After seeing the parents so happy this morning, I dont doubt that they will take her back. I dont know who they plan on having her impregnated by but give her 10 month and there will be a new little baby running around that house but the grandparents wont "know" she is pregnant until she is 7 months pregnant...
After seeing the parents so happy this morning, I dont doubt that they will take her back. I dont know who they plan on having her impregnated by but give her 10 month and there will be a new little baby running around that house but the grandparents wont "know" she is pregnant until she is 7 months pregnant...
DammitJanet
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Ok....Casey got less time for 6 counts of check fraud than Cory in a state that is supposed to be tougher than my county. She committed her crimes against someone outside her family too. Not only that, she was in jail awaiting trial for murder when she was convicted for these charges!
6 counts...awarded probation. three years. Served it in jail and evidently no restitution and no court costs. I believe she stole close to $1000
Cory...3 counts.Stole $1300 30 days active, 60 days house arrest, 14 months active sentence deferred to 3 years intensive probation. Restitution of $1500
6 counts...awarded probation. three years. Served it in jail and evidently no restitution and no court costs. I believe she stole close to $1000
Cory...3 counts.Stole $1300 30 days active, 60 days house arrest, 14 months active sentence deferred to 3 years intensive probation. Restitution of $1500
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HaoZi
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^^^ That, and he could override the jury-recommended sentence. Does that more fully answer your question Shari?
