Vaping deaths and Kay make me worry

[BusynMember1]

This scares me. Kay smokes and sometimes has vaped. I'm not sure why. She would say it was to help her quit, which never happened, and who knows if she vaped to get high in a new way?

I read something about the deaths...that they were caused by THC juice and nicotine. This combo results in black spots on the lungs, disease and death. I shudder. If this is true, and I could have it wrong, this is just the kind of thing Kay would try.

Just the thought brings back the old anxiety and we are not speaking. She blocked us so I cant even send a motherly text that would do no good, but would make me feel better such as "Please don't vape. I love you and don't want you to die."

Oh, well. It's not like she would pay attention anyway. These kids are Worry Machines whether we are talking to them or not. Anyone else worried about this?

God bless. Lets fight our stress and stay well.7

 

[Copabanana]

These kids are Worry Machines whether we are talking to them or not. Anyone else worried about this?

Yes. I am worried too. I sent the "worried" text a few days ago. My son completely minimized the issue. He is NOT in any way interested. Nor does he believe it is happening. And if it were. Denies risk. But said he doesn't vape, but STILL used the opportunity to remind me again how wonderful is THC.

 

[BusynMember1]

Oh Copa. What is up with these kids? Kay would probably believe it but I can just hear her saying that six people is not a big deal and that I worry about everything. She is fearless, another very scary trait. Kay loves THC too and would tell me she doesn't vape but I don't know if she does or not.

It never stops being hard.

Bless you.

 

[Nandina]

My son vapes and I have spoken to him about it. He’s not interested in hearing it. According to news reports, about 450 people encompassing almost every state have experienced lung injuries or illness due to vaping. Unfortunately, there will probably be more deaths. In the schools, vaping is an epidemic. My son just graduated from high school and that’s where he picked it up. His teacher once complained to me that you take the vape pipes away and then you have to deal with these angry, irritable kids who are coming down from nicotine withdrawals. They dial up the nicotine content as high as it can go to get a sort of high or rush from it. What is really disgusting is with flavors like bubblegum and candy, these items were specifically marketed to children. Also, the vape companies designed some of them to be easily disguised to look like flash drives. I think we will see some lawsuits coming in the near future, just like what happened with the tobacco companies back in the 60s. And I say, go get ‘em!

 

[Copabanana]

His teacher once complained to me that you take the vape pipes away and then you have to deal with these angry, irritable kids who are coming down from nicotine withdrawals.

Geez. Cry me a river.

 

[Nandina]

Oh—I don’t think I made myself clear. She hates them! She wasn’t saying not to take them away. She was just stating fact that this is what the teachers deal with and that it’s gotten so bad. Then to top it off, Mommy comes to pick up child and his pipe, turns around and gives it right back!

 

[BusynMember1]

That's really sick. What parent, knowing about the serious danger, would give the pipe back to the kid???

 

[Nandina]

I agree, but this is last school year, before the deaths and all the illness, at least not yet known. Remember, they have been marketing these vape pipes as totally safe and parents took the bait. Their feeling was probably...at least my kid’s not smoking cigarettes or doing drugs.

 

[Copabanana]

Then to top it off, Mommy comes to pick up child and his pipe, turns around and gives it right back!

This is HORRIBLE!

I just cannot believe that parents of youngsters would support such a thing! Even before the deaths. The use of either marijuana or nicotine. How could a parent endorse this? I think it's child abuse.

I must be completely out of it.

 

[toughlovin]

Well I am worried too. My son vapes. Hes been smoking since he was a young teen. He is now 27. We thought vaping was safer than regular cigarettes. We saw him tonight and I asked him about it. He said the vaping deaths are due to people getting vape juice from the street rather than good vape stores. In reality they dont completely understand the causes yet. In our conversation he did reveal he is getting some thc vape from guys he work with who can drive to a close by state where its legal.

That is discouraging. So he is not drinking which is good but vaping thc is very worrisome.

Nothing I can do though.

 

[BusynMember1]

I am usually not political and feel nothing the government does really works and it may not stop vaping either if it bans the selling of e-cigs or makes vaping a crime. But if it saves one life, I think it should be tried.

Kay is like TL. She used to say, about all drugs, you have to know who your supplier is. Like that was why people died of any drugs.

She also had a caviler attitude that is scary. Our family has many who are sensitive to cigarette smoke but telling Kay to be considerate didn't work. She would say that its a lie that second hand smoke is dangerous and to stop being babies. If confronted gently about her own health .and that she already has a smokers cough it got worse. She would shrug and say we are all going to die and life s&cks anyway.

 

[Nandina]

Busy, my son said exactly the same thing about needing to know your supplier. At the time, he hadn’t even started smoking pot (still in school, no money, etc.) but he couldn’t wait for the day when he gained his independence (turned 18 and/or left home) so he could start legally smoking cigarettes, try pot, drinking and all the other ways of being an “adult” I talked to him a lot about not starting cigarettes, not only because they’re unhealthy but that they are very expensive and he would be be broke all the time. Didn’t work. I begged him not to try pot due to his family history of drug/alcohol abuse on both sides of birth family and which I had educated him about since he was a child. Didn’t work. This was a kid who, as a child so hated the smell of cigarette smoke, that he would sort of rudely “cough-cough” whenever he passed someone smoking in public. Then—welcome to senior year in high school when everything changed. Peer pressure was just too strong and now he’s a broke, pot and cigarette smoking, vaping 18 year old kid, living on his own, with a cough that sounds like he’s been smoking for 30 years.

 

[Blindsided]

It's my understanding that these reported issues are with vaping products purchased on the street. I think we should all be cautious and use common sense. STOP until we know for sure. Dr. Oz actually weighed in on it and basically says the same. I know several people who have been able to quit smoking because of vaping. People die every day from cigarette effects, lung cancer, obstructive lung disease, etc. I hope we get some solid research on this. As for the kids using it, most likely they are black market and that is VERY concerning. Sit down with the kids and show them the effects of smoking and now possibly vaping. Harping at them can often drive them to be more dedicated to it, after all, they know x,y,z peers are doing it and have no problems.

As for our adult children, we have no control. As for Kay, she doesn't believe in vaccinations either, right? What are the chances she will think her choices are bad choices. You have no control over her choices, so your worry is only going to affect one person, YOU! We have become so traumatized by our children and that is fuel for worry, no doubt.

A good quote that I can say really applies to me on some days. But, at least not all days. Baby steps.

“Worry is a thin stream of fear trickling through the mind. If encouraged, it cuts a channel into which all other thoughts are drained.”
– Arthur Somers Roche

your fellow worry wart.

 

[RN0441]

My son vapes and we tell him we don't like it. When I was young I smoked cigarettes and quit while pregnant but would start up again after delivery. I never smoked a lot...a pack a week at the end. I quit because my son (the one that brought me here) used to cry when I smoked. Was worried about me. I am so glad I did though. I remind him of that now....

 

[Crayola13]

There is nothing more tacky than a vape shop. People get so upset and want to close down adult book stores but don't say one word when a vape shop opens. People complain about how all the payday loan places bring down properly values. Well, what about tattoo parlors and vape shops? Those are a hundred times worse!

 

[BusynMember1]

We have a few. Agree!

 

[WiseChoices]

Yes. I am worried too. I sent the "worried" text a few days ago. My son completely minimized the issue. He is NOT in any way interested. Nor does he believe it is happening. And if it were. Denies risk. But said he doesn't vape, but STILL used the opportunity to remind me again how wonderful is THC.

Oh, God! My son does the same. MJ saved his life. It is the best thing ever. He can't wait to move into his own place and roll a nice blunt. Bla bla bla...has always minimized any of the risks I wanted to discuss, has flatout rejected the idea that it is a gateway drug, and then proceeded to do coke, ecstasy, and LSD and lied to me when I asked whether he had anything other than pot.

 

[BusynMember1]

Add another here. MJ is a healthy plant. Kay smoked cigarettes and pot while pregnant. While she admits cigarettes are bad for a developing fetus, she believes smoking pot is GOOD for a fetus.
Chronic daily marijuana use is not benign. I know some of us smoked pot and I have seen some moms say so and think its not bad if their kid uses pot because it didn't hurt them. But 20 years of chronic any drug/mind altering plant/whatever it is can't be good.

The smoke can't be good for the lungs either.

Pot makes me sick. People who think heavy pot use is ok have no clue. None. Even mild pot use is bad for some and pot has been proven to jumpstart or bring out underlying mental illness.

I hate pot.

 

[toughlovin]

I will say I think a lot depends on the person. To me its like alcohol many people can drink socially with no problem. Many people can smoke pot once in a while no problem. The fact my daughter has smoked pot on occasion doesnt worry me because she shows no sign of being an addict to any drugs or to alcohol. My son however is a very different story. I know he is vaping pot which totally worries me. Not only because of the vaping issue but because I dont think he can do any drug moderately or casually. So I suspect its going to lead him into a bad place. Medically pot is better for him than either heroin or alcohol but its still not good.

 

[BusynMember1]

I think once in a while is not so harmful. But people who are disturbed and refuse to get real medical help for emerging mental illnesses tend to use pot all the time, thus constantly fogging their reality. It's the people who should use it the least who use it the most. Probably it is the same with alcohol.

Vaping pot after these deaths scares me a lot. I do not know if Kay still vapes. But I hate to hear of anyone dying such a pointless death, one that did not have to happen. And vaping is so popular with young people!