Feeling Sad---Son is Homeless

Feeling Sad

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Copa. My son is 24 and his girlfriend is 21. She worked at a place that the owner is very good friends with Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp is now 50 something. He was there with his girlfriend who was about 25. Two pictures were taken of my son's girlfriend and Johnny Depp. It took place a few months ago. My aide is in her late 50's and married for years. When she lived back East, when she was 25, she dated Johnny Depp when he was 19. Just in a band, not quite an actor yet in movies. She was a hostess in a restaurant he played at. Her now husband also was in a band who played there. She dumped Depp for her now husband. I think in Florida. She was a model when she moved out to the coast. Her husband refers, jokingly to Depp as her ex.
 

Feeling Sad

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Okay, Leafy. I just gained 5 pounds! 'SWEET' dreams to rise in dawn's silence...A strong woman's form strode bravely in the morning's early mist... wearing a fashionable, yet neatly-tailored tunic...sporting a sassy pixie.

Have a BLESSED day tomorrow.
 

Copabanana

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Very nice, all of them especially Jack Benny.
My mother would have loved this. I read that Jack Benny was a nice man. I guess not.
Yes, I walked down spiral staircases with a stack of books on my head.
I went to charm school, too. My mother made me. She thought I could be a model. I have the absolutely wrong body. And at that time little confidence. What was she thinking?

It is time to be winding down Feeling. Remember bed time.

Have a good night.
 

Feeling Sad

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Jim Backus. Yes. I actually cheated, though, and looked it up. My eldest sister and brother went to Pat Boone's house for Bible studies. Steve Allen lived nearby. My friend's father who lived 3 doors down was Del Moore. He was on t.v. with Betty White in a sitcom. His best friend was Jerry Lewis and he was in all of his movies. Richard Greko lived right above. Davis Factor, who was a total jerk, the grandson of Max Factor and cousin of date rape Andrew Luster, lived 2 doors down. Many more, but I am tired...not sleepy, but tired.
 

Feeling Sad

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Jack Benny WAS very nice. I talked to him at great length in the downstairs pharmacy in Beverly Hills. He helped me to pick out my piece of candy. We decided on a Judson's prailine. Yum. Then I rushed upstairs for my allergy of the eyelid appointment and who should come out of my examining room, but Lucille Ball. Yes, her head is bright red, but she was stunning. She had the same affliction.
 

Scent of Cedar *

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My, my, what you ladies get up to in the evening!

We have listened to the zip and flash of the Girls! Girls! Girls! signs outside our bordello windows, eaten brazenly seductive chocolate things in our pajamas, described proper comportment, declared ourselves remiss in not having employed "beseeched", described movie stars and movie moguls...and cut our own hair.

It's like this amazing party with funny, really bright women. Or like living in a beautiful mansion, open to the sea.

Only I keep falling asleep. So I hear all about everything in the morning.

And cannot believe what you all have been up to.


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Yes, I walked down spiral staircases with a stack of books on my head. I was taught how to swing sideways in the passenger seat, all the while keeping my legs together in a ladylike fashion, and extend my hand, preferably gloved, graciously out to my escort. You see, I was too weak and demure to be able to get out of the car on my own! We once were taught to "slink like cats" you could hear our stocking rubbing together.

Young women are so beautifully perfect. I love them. When I was young, I did not know this about myself. I see it today, in my granddaughters. They do not know either, how beautiful they are simply because they are young, and female, and beautiful.

I am happy for you that this was so, in your life.

Did you feel beautiful, and cherished? I love that you shared this with us.

Humor helps...and of course, proper deportment.

It does.

Another way of saying: "Let me win. If I cannot win, let me be brave."

Very, very well. A lot of gratitude. Protective of me. Supportive. Gentlemen. I never felt afraid. At SQ I would walk the tiers alone, 5 levels, like catwalk fire escapes

Copa is brave.

I am picturing you taking that walk, Copa.

Your skin is so white.

For the men, you represent every decent thing; every saving grace from their childhoods.

Why do we say sorry so much? That is what I do too. Even if I am not at fault, figuring it will make things better, make the other person feel better.

As we have come through the layers of healing on the Family of Origin threads, we learned that when we were little girls, we may have blamed ourselves for everything we did not understand as a way of making sense of chaos. If whatever had happened was somehow our fault, we imagined, as children, that we could prevent it ever happening again if only we were vigilant.

The trick was in coming to believe, truly to believe, that the wrongnesses were our fault, and were not, after all, the faults of the adults around us.

We grew up believing everything is our responsibility.

We truly do feel badly when something ~ anything ~ goes wrong.

We each seem to have come into our adulthoods with feelings of responsibility for the ambiance established in relationship or setting or in a particular event. We want everyone to be happy, and feel badly if they are not. We tend not to think about whether we are happy, or even, what that might look or feel like. This serves us beautifully in our lives until we come up against something we cannot bring into balance with our kindness, or with our capacities for love, or with our abilities to whip things into shape in the blink of an eye.

When our children were in trouble, over and over again, that we could not help them broke us. I am serious. Broke us in some essential way.

We love them. They matter to us more than we matter to ourselves because, in a way, we have never mattered to ourselves. We have been brought up to feel most alive in creating home, in being beautiful and pleasant and kind.

Wherever we have been, we have created home, and laughter, and good, good food.

In our bordellos, we would have been the prostitute with the heart of gold; Miss Kitty, forever understanding Marshal Dillon's hero complex because she has one, herself.

I have a ridiculously agile startle reflex, too.

This is called: hypervigilance. It can be a symptom of Complex Post Traumatic Stress. Complex PTSD is comprised of layers of trauma. This can be part of what happens to us when we pop ourselves into emotional flashback.

Another term given us by Serenity (Somewhere Out There). I wonder when she will be back?

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Feeling, I do not think either of our sons would do something like that. They are too kind. I just do not believe that depth of kindness could be overruled. Maybe this is wishful thinking. I hope not.

I knew a lady once who sent the mother of the shooter a card of sympathy and support. After that conversation with her, I always think first of the mother (or the father) of the shooter.

http://www.potw.org/archive/potw351.html

Cedar
 

Feeling Sad

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Cedar, our conversations are a bit raucous with seductive prostitutes washing their feet outside in the warm sun, and at the same time, somewhat prim with talk of proper etiquette and gloved debutante hands.

Yes, I would say a bit of a dichotomy has been posed. Yes, sweat and gooey chocolate, and yes, even Leafy's cut tresses, cascading down...all seductive (and "freeing" in Warrior Leafy's case). Juxtaposed to staring straight ahead without looking down while descending a steep spiraled staircase with our back held straight, keeping our legs together, and extending out our gloved hand graciously to our escort.

I went to a Bridal Shower once in Vegas. We wore short white innocent veils and used raunchy penis straws. Now, there is a combo! Do you think the men were confused by the mixed message?

Then we have the Norman Rockwell idealized cozy All-American scene depicted my our fellow brave warrior, Cedar.

I want to live with you. Yes, I will clean my room and be good. Oh, my! Warm apple home-made pie. Who, among us, would not want a house that smells of cinnamon, warm apples, and a homey fire? When may I move in???

I attribute your homespun cozy hearth and home to....getting to bed at a decent hour! Yes, we fellow warriors who stay up late and speak of wild and bizarre happenings, is all due to lack of sleep and staying up too late.

I have greatly enjoyed talking about bordellos, fancy desserts, and tunics...anything to take my mind off of my fears. The later it gets, the more busy, and to quote a teacher term here...'off toplic' I get, the better!

Just joking. Even with a lot of sleep, I, sadly do not cook a lot these days. I used to...but, not anymore.

Cedar, you asked if I felt special going to etiquette and dance lessons. Yes and no. Yes, in that I was at the age where I was changing into a woman. I went each week to my dance lessons in cotillon. Then, once a month a HUGE fancy ball was held. My mother used to help me sew a beautiful dress of chiffon with, very alluring in a demure way, I thought, see-through sleeves! I wore a fake white ermine stole around my shoulders.

In the 8th grade, the boys were too young to drive. They would come to the door to escort me to the dance and their fathers drove. All very elegant and formal. Our chaperones seemed about 70...at the time. We would walk down the line of chaparones, and shake their hands....or did the girls curtsy?

Anyway, even as a young teen I thought that there must be a very valid reason why the girls had to wear white gloves. I thought that it was exceedingly inappropriate to have a young man dance with you and actually have your bare skin, yes bare skin, touch his.

Let's take a very quick flashback to Cedar's bordello scene of bathing proudly outside....naked...

Dichotomy.

I feel that our culture, not only just our parents, have negatively affected how we view ourselves.

I had to extend my gloved hand out to my escort so that he could gently, kindly lift me up.... What is/was going on?...

We are taught to not win in games...let the man win. Let the man walk on the outside of the sidewalk. Let the man open doors. But, the flip-side. Don't have him change a diaper, keep the house clean, wait until he calls you... Hmm.

I am not saying that it is bad, but it also works horribly against us. I was told once, by a minister, that there can only be one captain to a ship. My mother told me to keep the kids quiet, serve my husband dinner in a separate room, put on a 'fresh face'...I love that archaic colloquialism. ..after I told her my first husband had a violent temper. I was a Stepford Wife. I apologized if the whole lawn was not a perfect hunter green, I made brownies and we ran out of milk, or that...horrors of all horrors..he found a small hole in his pocket.

Yes, this was my husband. But, a child can see these cultural mores and use it against us. If there is something wrong with a child, whose fault is it? Usually, the mother takes on the guilt. Bad grades...mother. speech impediment....mother. Drug use...mother. Mental illness....you guessed it. More women talk about feeling guilty. Men that I have known, a very poor pool indeed, do not feel guilt. Or at least, never talk about feeling guilty.


We mothers do not love enough, or love too much, do not help enough, help too much...you have the picture.

I am not trying to bash men. I need to qualify my statements. If a man is on this site, they are not included in this group of men that do not feel responsible. You are here, so you do feel responsibility. This has been my experience. I am aware that some husbands take a more equal role, but not all. Again, if you are concerned about your child as a father, you were raised well.

With more women working full-time, it is very, very slowly changing. My 2 exhusbands were raised in cultures with stereotypical gender roles; first husband, Japanese, second husband, Cuban.

If our children grow up seeing these set roles, it empowers them to treat their mother the same way. Yes, when violence is viewed it is passed down through the generations.

But, fellow warriors, I speak of the understanding that if their life, or meals, or clothes, or homework, or...you name is not right, they not only seek us, their mothers for help, but EXPECT us to fix it! It is often on us, ladies.

It is not always that culture has given this guilt, but culture has taught us to take and own this guilt ourselves.

Yes, some of us do not have this dynamic, true. But some of us, sadly, do.

See what talks of bordellos and cotillon bring on???

I felt cherished because my mother bought special fabric and we sewed together my gown. I could use stockings with garter belts, shave my legs, and wear perfume and scented lotion. Yes, I got asked to dance....probably the dichotomy set up with the prim white gloves and the luxurious 'fake' ermine stole. Or, much more likely, their mothers made them!

But, down deep, I was already feeling juxtaposed with a Dr. Jekyl/ Mr. Hyde feelings. My exterior was calm, collected, yet just inside I was screamimg, "Can't you see what is going on??? My sister wants to kill me...!" as I danced my Fox Trot holding my dance partner's hands with demure white-gloved hands.

Yes, life is full of dichotomies. Our child's past...present, their good behavior...bad behavior, our hopes we had for their futures...what we needed to slowly accept as their, more likely, futures.

Yes, brave warriors, two sides always at odds with each other... March on!
 

Feeling Sad

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Cedar, in answer to what you said, I would like to think that is is like an amazing party with funny, really bright woman THAT live in a beautiful mansion, open to the sea. Yes, all of the above. I am a woman of simple needs...

Yes, Copa, before I went on my tirade, I failed to see your post. Yes, my week was pretty good. I am very tired working and not sleeping much. But, I could have never accomplished enduring the fear of this week, without my kind, yet very brave, fellow warriors. Hmm...fellow. Can women be fellows? Madame Warriors. Okay, maybe not. Flashbacks to Cedar's bordello and warm sultry bodies in the sun.

But, my personal fave is the desserts.

The brave warriors, strode confidently to the balcony of their seaside mansion, their fashionable, yet neatly tailored tunics blew in the coastal breeze, gracefully holding beautifully chilled goblets of hot fudge sundaes with cascading.....

Okay, enough. I have gotten carried away. I forgot Operation Lights On.

Good sign, right ladies. Less fear.

Thank you.
 

Copabanana

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Hi Feeling

I am glad you are home and settled.
Good sign, right ladies. Less fear.
Good.
But, down deep, I was already feeling juxtaposed with a Dr. Jekyl/ Mr. Hyde feelings. My exterior was calm, collected, yet just inside I was screaming, "Can't you see what is going on??? My sister wants to kill me...!"
Feeling, are you feeling something similar now?

You are being very brave. Brave at night, to get up to be brave again all day.

I wonder if what I have been doing these past 2 years plus is saying "no more." I will be one person, who claims all of my feelings.

When I met M he was astounded because my son and I seldom locked the door. Even at night we would forget.

Now, M for two minutes will go outside to water the plants or smoke, and he is locked out, doors doubled bolted. He scratches his head in wonder.

He reminds me of the past, doors seldom locked.

I never was able to be afraid before and I never knew what it was to feel safe. Now I do.

I can feel danger now and I can feel safe now. I could not before. Only unafraid. Only brave. Not safe.
Our child's past...present, their good behavior...bad behavior, our hopes we had for their futures...what we needed to slowly accept as their, more likely, futures.
Yes. How things attenuate in our situations. Alive. We want them alive and safe. To themselves and others. We will accept almost anything else.

COPA
 
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Feeling Sad

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I was the same way, Copa. I never, ever locked my door. My fear existed inside. Not of me, but my house. I just had a lock on my bedroom door for the 10 months before the last incident.

You said, "I was never able to be afraid before and I never knew what is was to feel safe. Now I do.
I can feel danger now and I can feel safe now. I could not before. Only unafraid. Only brave. Not safe".

I am exactly the same....except I have not reached the feel safe part.

Yes, I now for the first time can feel fear, but I have not yet found feeling safe. That has to come from within, me now, not the house....or a secret young lover. Just joking, Copa.

Hopefully, I will one day. I have been told that I don't want lifelong PTSD.

But, you were truly brave walking on those catwalks...exceedingly brave, my sister.

Take care.
 

Copabanana

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Hi Feeling
I am exactly the same....except I have not reached the feel safe part.
I feel safe in my bed. That is it. Except for my kitchen when I am cooking, only. Not washing the dishes. Not eating. Nowhere else. Not the yard, even.

Thank you, Feeling. I never felt scared on those tiers, you call them. Fourth tier. Fifth tier. The only thing that I was aware of being concerned when inmates would "flood." Stop up the toilets in their cells so that they would overflow. If it was a mass protest there would be dirty water everywhere. Running down the tiers, and stairs. I would be afraid I would slip and fall.

I must confess that masturbation concerned me. That they were masturbating where I could not see. Or occasionally when I could. Or exhibitionalism. That part I did not like. But you get used to it. If you cannot, you do not work in prisons.

Sometimes I wonder if I forced myself to work in environments where the possibility of attack and degradation was ever-present. Kind of like Evil Knievel. Counter-phobic. Repeatedly forcing yourself to face what you most fear. Except I never felt fear. Never. Curious.

I wish I could do that with driving freeways, and with big rigs and escalators. Sometimes I think that I was so brave I just ran of courage, or I stuffed down fear so much that there came a point I could no longer stuff it anymore. There was no more room.

Bye, Feeling. How are you doing?
 
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Copabanana

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I need to turn off the radio. It is about Warren Jepp's children. The fundamentalist fellow that is in prison for having child wives. He sexually abused his birth children. That is what the program on CNN is about. Off it goes.

COPA
 

Feeling Sad

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I can't even imagine going through those horrors that you did in prison. Unbelievable.

I am so sorry, Copa. I did not know that you were secretly abused as a child.

I think that you are right. I was almost like you were, daring yourself. Like, to see how much you could truly stand. I worked in homes in very dangerous areas for child abuse and neglect cases. If my mom had known, she would have stopped me. I worked on the helpline and residential special education facilities and went into special education.

I think that we have both seen our breaking point. No, our saturation point. We are not broken. We can stuff no more down. No longer tolerate any more violence. We were brave, but did not allow ourselves to fear, or even feel fear.

I, am appearing strong, yet waking up screaming.

You, are feeling safe, yet only in your bed.

We have reached an impasse. We are lucky. Change brings new opportunities. Yes, we are in our own private worlds. Mine...out there. Yours...in your bed. But, we have both have reached our point of no return.

I put it as no more numbing out. You put it as no more denying your feelings.

We are both, very brave. We are facing terrors few have faced. We will walk out on the other side.
Embracing our feelings and feeling safe from within, for me, and from without, for you.

Strange, I am more fearful in my bed. That is where I sleep and thus, lose my ever-vigilant control and wake up screaming with fear.

You, are less fearful in your bed, you have control there. It is your bed. But, outside of your bed, you feel a lack of control and thus you are fearful.

We are truly sisters, dear Copa. If we combined our two halves, we would create one strong woman, aware of her feelings and one who feels safe in her bed and everywhere else.

True sisters because we found exactly opposite ways to try to feel better. We will help each other. You will share how you are able to feel safe in bed. I will share how I am able to feel safe out of bed.

Maybe, we won't be able to understand each others' completely opposite way of viewing or handling our fear.

Strange, yet very pure and beautiful. The psyche is truly amazing. Another dichotomy. Two directly opposite ways our traumatized minds employed to cope with our fears.

But, regardless, we will be here for each other.

Take care.
 

Copabanana

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Go to sleep, Feeling. It is after midnight.

Goodnight. Sleep tight. (Don't let the bedbugs bite.)*

*Oh, that was me. I went to a woman's prison. The staff was mean, mean, mean. That was where they started the rumor that I was having an affair with the big boss, because he favored me. It was very flattering because he was very powerful and came to have the top job in the state. Except I was really targeted by other staff.

I started an after hour program that cut hospitalizations by fifty percent. The ladies needed somebody to talk to. Duh.

And then, he cut me loose, when it was expedient, because of the perceptions of others.

But before that happened I was working 13 hours a day, 5 days a week. And staying in a motel. My son was not with me.

And when it was the weekend, there I was in the middle of nowhere in a motel. Without my son who was on the Coast. So, I broke out all over with a rash. And I accused the motel of having bed bugs because it had been in the papers, that there was an infestation. They were so offended.

I was sure I had been bitten by bedbugs.

Until it happened the next time.

It was hives. I realized that I was putting myself under so much stress I broke out in hives. I would not allow myself to feel. So I broke out in hives. I know now that if I take benadryl my "bedbugs" go away.
 
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Feeling Sad

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Dear Cedar, I feel that an apology might be in order. If one was to read just one or two of my posts, one might have the truly false impression, yes, false, that you, Cedar were sitting outside a bordello naked or that you indeed, owned the said bordello. In my haste to get my thoughts out, I never saw it from an outsiders viewpoint.

On the positive side...we might get more men posting. They will want to know more about this seductive Madame Cedar. Perhaps about the apple pies that you serve there. Or the pervasive scent of cinnamon.

Well, this might make you feel better...I asked to live there. What does that make me?

March on warriors, all be it, seductively in Cedar's case.
 
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