Feeling Sad---Son is Homeless

Copabanana

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I told him after he told me the truth. Whatever the truth is. It changes.

I forgot to ask you, are those tops comfortable? It seems some are polyester. Do they breathe in the heat?

When I found them, it said just Jess and Jane. When I put in Cactus, Jess and Jane, Jess and Jane came up. Is cactus different?

I am stronger with my son. It is really hard. Because I have been so vulnerable to him. At the same time, I have felt so victimized by him.

He is trying to get me to dance to his tune. More and more I am not. I think he rather prefers me stronger. I think it makes him feel safer. I think he is feeling like I am not any more tolerating all of his :censored2:. Little by little.

I feel bad that I was so suckered by him, with respect to his illness. But hey? If I am willing to feel the fear and dread for him, why not try?

But to lie and tell me he was thrown out. Like it was the truth. I am still not convinced even this is the truth. But I may find out more tomorrow.

If I find that he is continuing to lie to me, I will be forced to pull back more, and explain to him why. I do not see any other choice.

I do not think he is trying to hurt me as his primary goal, either. But he hurts me, nonetheless.

Thank you for your support, Feeling.

COPA
 
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Feeling Sad

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Jeggings I buy at Ross and TJMaxx. You need to try those on. They pull everything in...very flattering. Some say they lift the butt or slim the tummy.

Tops at My Fair Lady, Amazon, or Cities Fashions. My Fair Lady is over the hill and in the store, not online, a lot of tops are just $20. Others are $32. I buy cotton. A lady in town sell Cactus tops for $24...no tax.

I like the Paris one, too.
 

Feeling Sad

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I just buy just the 100% cotton ones. They breathe. Polyester doesn't. I wash on cold and dry on knit...warm. Yes, Jess and Jane is one brand and Cactus and Cactus Bay is another. They breathe, are flattering, and wash and wear well.

My students, and people as a rule, want and need rules and structure. It does make them feel safer and more cared for. He might fight it, but down deep he likes it. You are finding the calm in the storm for him. You are appearing more firm and he will sense that reassuring strength in you. Keep up the good work. He will continue to test you. True behavior modification at work.
 

Copabanana

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I went to Cities. How great. I like Joyous and Free I think it is called. They were more money but more geometric/ethnic less floral which is better for me. And mostly sold out and more expensive. Sigh. And Gilma. Or something like that.
 
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Copabanana

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You are finding the calm in the storm for him.

I know the theory behind what may be happening with my son, but I do not understand the why.

I was very alone as a young woman. Any change that happened I did alone or with a therapist. To have a better life I felt I had to distance myself from my family. Not engage them. I guess my son is deciding he wants to take me with him.
But to do that, he has to do the work himself. I hope he is getting that.

A good thing. I hope.

Thank you, Feeling.

Feeling, when you watch TV and look at the computer where are you? In your bedroom, in the living room?

COPA
 

Feeling Sad

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Family room and bedroom on tablet. My son destroyed 3 computers and 1 tablet. I bought a tablet that could be locked in my room..before.

I hear beep...beep...beep on the t.v. and I jump up and panic! It sounds like the alarm going off. Just like Pavlov's dogs. Also, I have a possum or raccoon out back and hear it rustling in the leaves. I expect to see an outline standing there. Time for Benadryl...roar... Yes, a bit afraid, but, none the less...a warrior.
 

Copabanana

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What room do you feel most comfortable in, Feeling?

My mother lived alone for almost the last 40 years of her life. She had a large den upstairs. Really a lovely room. The whole top floor of her house was devoted to the den and her bedroom. She watched TV and read there. She could settle in and feel safe. Except for when the bad earthquake came.

The only room I feel safe in is our bedroom. And it is not even the master bedroom. It is the far bedroom. And the kitchen which is part of a great room, but only when I cook. I am so regressed I take my food back to my bedroom to eat.

I like to look at my house but only feel safe in a very small part of it. But I feel very safe here. I have a satellite radio to listen to the news. I miss watching TV. I could bring a TV in here but do not want to encourage this way of life. I have been hibernating for a long time.

M watches TV in the Great Room but he watches the Spanish Stations and I do not like it. We have no commonality in TV watching. He likes those survivor shows in Spanish, and Judge type shows with melodrama, and the news in Spanish and variety shows, and singing competitions.

The one thing we watched together was The Voice. But that was already 3 years ago, and then my mother got sick, and it was like we could not go back. Kind of like lost innocence.

I like drama and movies. I have not watched TV (at least hardly any) besides news for maybe 30 years. I used to love it. I do not know what changed. I would love to make a TV room for me like my mother had.

I would also like to begin to sit down and eat again with M. But there would have to be no TV. (I am trying to remember if we ate together when we lived in the school bus. I think we did. When I work we have lived in strange environments. Once we lived in a Prostibulo for a year (that is a more delicate way to say whore house. Of course there is a story behind it.)

This has been a crazy way to live for so long.

I tell myself when I finally get back to watching TV and movies I will have excellent content to last me for the rest of my life.

My Mother could never figure out why I did not go to movies anymore. She adored movies and typically in her life went once a week to the movie theatre. I had been the same way as a child. I would take street car by myself.

Sometimes I think something bad happened to me. But I do not remember what.

There is so much in the world to see and do. I want to live fully. I hope I am ready, soon. And you too. And everybody.

COPA
 

Feeling Sad

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School bus...whore house. Boy, I live a tame and boring life, well, except for the fear of violence.

Your life sounds very interesting.

After my mother died days before 9/11, I stopped watching gory shows like CSI. Before that, I could not watch violent shows with torture or begging for life. I have lived with almost constant fear of violence and threats to my life.

I like P'BS shows, period pieces, and romantic comedies....and the news.

Try to do a bit more each day. Being forced to return to work has been my saving grace...and this site.

I still feel so sad to both miss and fear my son. You are so lucky to be able to speak to your son. The judge decided 5 years for the term of the restraining order. Unlike the police, she took it seriously.

I can't take the very real realization that I will never see or hear from my son ever again in my lifetime. Will I see him from Heaven? I feel that you are at your best age and 'normal' again in Heaven. When he joins me down the line, he will be back to the son I knew before the illness.

If I could know somehow that I would see him again, I could relax more. I miss him so much. I do not want to be afraid of him anymore. I do not know how much more of this I can take. I am dying inside. I want to tell him that I love him and that I am sorry.

He is not like other children on this site. He is afraid of phones and now he will never return because of the order. He was afraid of the neighbors and they saw him escorted out of the track by 5 police cars.

I miss him every day. He needs me because he is not in touch with reality and is afraid. My heart is breaking. I can't take it. I wish that there had been a better way.
 

Copabanana

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If I could know somehow that I would see him again, I could relax more. I miss him so much.
I think I know how much you miss him.

I believe you will see him. I would say that I know you will, but you would not believe me. I am very intuitive. I believe my intuition very much. I believe you will see him. My hunch is that it will be in the not so distant future. I do not know how or when.

I believe that to find peace you will have to decide within yourself that you will see him. And live by that. I understand that it makes it tougher because you feel in some way responsible for what happened, but it is less and less all of the time. You did not cause this. You responded to a situation in the only way you could. He did not cause this either. You are equally victims of a terrible disease.
I want to tell him that I love him and that I am sorry.
He knows this without a doubt. He is not stupid. Just ill. He knows what happened. Part of him is relieved. I believe this.

I believe it is easier for him now, because he is not responsible to protect you, from himself. Think about the strain of it.

I believe that the both of you lived life all of those years bonded by your great love for each other. The way of life stopped because it had to.

Never, ever doubt your son's love for you. He is not mad. I know it. He understands. He is still him. You know that. More so now, than before. Imagine how fearful he was that he would hurt you. He never, ever wanted to hurt you.
My heart is breaking. I can't take it. I wish that there had been a better way.
Now if Cedar were here she would tell us that our hearts need to break again and again and as many times as they need to for us to heal in a powerful way. For me, I have needed many, many breaks. I have died inside over and over again these past 2 and a half years. It started before my mother died. When she started screaming and I felt it was my fault. I do not know how I have lived through the agony of these past few years. I am not as strong as you.

Cedar tells me I get to stay in bed as long as I want to and I need to. But I must confess, she did ask about my walk with Romy.

Feeling you are here with us now. We care about you and we understand.

My son is mentally ill too. And his physical illness combined with his very poor judgment creates a very concerning mix for me.

There are other mothers here with ill children. Thankfully, not everybody goes into crisis at the same time or we would be posting 24 hours a day and you could not go to work.

But I understand, Feeling, your plate has been very, very full. Life cornered you, and put you in a very bad spot. Without options. Only a great deal of love and of courage. You are walking out of it. Every day more and more. You are very strong. I admire you a great deal.

Your son knows how much you love him. You showed him every day of his life. He knows it more than he knows any other thing. It is the strongest reality in his life. Way stronger than the voices. He tried very hard to protect you. In the end, both of you won, if you look at it one way. He protected you as long as he could. And then, when you feared he could no longer do it, you protected him, your younger son and yourself. You are all heroes and a wonderful, loving family.

Yours is a very, very heroic story. Very hard. But very brave.

What is that quote that Cedar teaches us: Try to win. But if you cannot win, be brave.

Families have all kinds of stories. Many of the stories here have anger, betrayal, weakness. Your story has none of those things. Only love. And courage.

Sleep tight, Feeling.

COPA
 

Copabanana

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Now go to sleep, Feeling. I had to leave the bedroom because M could not sleep. I will go back now.

M says he is afraid of something and he does not know why. He has been calling one of his older daughters every day in Mexico, and she did not answer the phone. He called at about 11pm her time. I think he worries she chose to not answer. He has not seen his children for almost 11 years. He cannot leave the USA because he is undocumented.

He worries terribly about his elderly parents. I think he feels I could not make it without him. Until very lately, he was right.

He is a good man and I do not like it when he is suffering. He really does not deserve it.

Have a good day at work tomorrow.

COPA
 

Feeling Sad

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I am sorry. Poor M. You worry about both of the men in your life. Does he Skype with his children. I hope that he is able to be contacted soon so that he will not worry.

Life is so beautiful, yet so very difficult at times.

I am going to nag you, even as a warrior woman. Take your cute doggy, albeit not a Chinese Crested Hairless, but your precious doggy for a walk tomorrow...I mean today. Get out there. You will feel better. Honest. I promise. Emotional, spiritual, and physical renewal.

Pleasant dreams.
 

Scent of Cedar *

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Once we lived in a Prostibulo for a year (that is a more delicate way to say whore house. Of course there is a story behind it.)

Ha! I have always been curious about prostibulos! What an extraordinary thing to have done, Copa! Was it very exotic? I am picturing that Brooke Shields movie about growing up in a New Orleans whorehouse. Pretty Baby, I think it was. And that beautiful red headed woman who is so liberal politically was in it, washing her feet. Her own feet. In the sunshine. I have never forgotten that. She just loved every inch of herself; all her skin, both her feet.

She played Brooke's mother.

She was very beautiful, in that movie.

I don't remember too much more about it at all. The music.

So, not a very good movie and yet, I have never forgotten the beauty of the naked woman, washing her feet in the sunshine.

Just lovely.

Copa, you have had many adventures.

Of course there is a story behind it

It is still dark as night, here. That is how early in the morning it is. And I cannot wait to hear the prostibulo story. It sounds like some exotic Italian dessert. "Prostibulo." I am getting it all confused with that imagery of the beautiful red headed actress washing her feet in the sun.

A sweating glass of sparkling prostibulo beside her.

:O)

Will I see him from Heaven? I feel that you are at your best age and 'normal' again in Heaven. When he joins me down the line, he will be back to the son I knew before the illness.

It is said that there is a pattern, and a purpose, to every smallest thing that happens. In the space of our lifetimes, we cannot see it. We do not have the perspective necessary to understand. At the touch of Eternity, so they say, we will know.

For today then, our job is to do the best we know in the moment we are in. For me lately, that has been about being present to the moment I am in. It's shockingly difficult to just be present. It is a choice though, and there is a clear way to just be. The world becomes heartbreakingly beautiful, when we remember to do that.

I think that is the difference between being young and being old. When we are young, we are so fully ourselves and everything is all about us. When we are older, and have been tempered and have become curious about how to survive, then we see with different eyes. The world of the young woman we were was not more beautiful than this one.

Okay.

It was, in some ways having to do with beautiful men.

:O)

I am dying inside. I want to tell him that I love him and that I am sorry.

This is where we can work, then. Where you are the one who is sorry, sparkling like the priceless gem it is. Would you like to explore these feelings, Feeling? We have learned that, having been raised as so many of us were, blaming ourselves (taking responsibility), condemning and tearing into and hating ourselves has become a kind of automatic expiation response we require of ourselves in our adulthoods because our dysfunctional families of origin required that of us in our childhoods.

It was wrong then, Feeling. It is wrong, now.

When we are not perfect.

That is when it strikes.

When our children are troubled, that is so not perfect that we tear into ourselves without mercy or compassion. We will do anything, pay any price, to change things for our kids. Part of this is genetically mandated, I think. Is instinctual response to a child refusing or unable to launch. We fixate on getting them healthy and strong and we so desperately want them to be happy.


:9-07tears:


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But what our children need is strong mothers, able to believe in themselves and their children whether we (or they) are perfect or not.

Would you like to post about your expectations for your son, Feeling? He is...I don't remember how old he is. Thirty five? My son is 40. My daughter is 41. It has made a very huge difference for us for me to have changed how I see them functioning in their lives, and how I speak to them and believe in them.

A huge difference.

I think that whatever bad place the kids have come to in their lives, a small piece of how they can find strength to do the right thing for themselves is if we believe they can; if we see them as competent, responsible people. (Physically or emotionally ill, or addicted, or not). Part of that is for us to have a look at whether blaming ourselves for their actions (thereby excusing them of responsibility for what they have done, just as we were taught to do with abusive adults in our childhoods) is the best thing for the kids. The best thing I think is not to blame, at all. There is a theory called: Radical Acceptance. It just is what it is and we take it from there and do the best we know. No blame. Not for our children, and not for ourselves.

Blame is a useless thing.

Out it goes.

I don't like you to blame yourself, Feeling. You are doing the best thing you know. I believe it will help your child, for him to be in the world. He is a man.

He is not meant to be living a life behind closed doors and shuttered windows in the house of his mother. He is meant to be in the world.

He will be fine.

You are here with us, now. You are going to be fine, too.

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We have all learned so much here on the site over the years, Feeling. I am so glad you found us, but I get it that I am sounding like I know what I am talking about. I don't, of course. None of us does really, or our kids would be okay and we would devote our time to some other aspect of self. But here is one more very important thing I have to tell you about the five years. Don't write the end of the story, Feeling. You don't know what will happen, either. We have to bring our focus back to today, when our children are troubled. We will not survive it, otherwise. When I find myself thinking in overwhelming ways, I tell myself that. Don't write the end of the story. Open your eyes and see the beauty and joy that is there and take it with both hands, because the pain will come whether I have taken the joy that was mine to take, or not.

We learn to hold ourselves very much in the present, Feeling.

It is how to survive this.

I think there is nothing worse than watching someone we love willfully self destruct.

Another thing we have earned here on the site Feeling is that so much of this is genetic. You cannot change your child's genetic heritage. Whatever it is, you child must develop the skills to address and cope with who he is. Hurting his own mother is never going to be a good place for him to begin. Being made to stay away from his mother, being required or requiring of himself that he accomodate himself to the world is crucial for his sake.

You did the right thing, Feeling, in requiring that restraining order.

The other way did not work, because your child is not better.

This is his chance.

Pray for him, light a candle for him, set a place setting for him on the holidays Feeling, but love him enough to love yourself through these five years, too. When you do see him again, let him see a strong, loving, committed mom who believes in him and celebrates his success; his independence.

It is very hard, to come to these places where we can see ourselves and our children differently.

But that's okay. You are here with us, now. Together, somehow, we are able to stand one another up and get ourselves through it.

Very hard, though.

I am so sorry for the pain of it, Feeling.

It's all so horribly different than we dreamed.

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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It turns out all of that was a lie about being kicked out. He said he was depressed, and assumed he was.

Then, he believed it at the time.

I am happy he is not kicked out.

Maybe Copa, he fixates on being kicked out just the way he fixates on Conspiracy Theory crises and end times?

I don't think he did it (told you he was kicked off) just to hurt you. Whether he did or not Copa, you handled everything so well as far as your son knows. That is what matters.

You did, Copa.

If I look at events with my son, how could I expect myself to see him like everything is fine, when he jerks me around like this? And I have my own past that haunts me.

He should not have done that to you, Copa.

I told him about the Liver Foundation, that he might want to visit the site to learn more, that liver disease is a silent killer. He started to say why he was sure he was fine...I stopped him and said: If you were getting regular blood work done to verify your liver enzymes are normal, that might mean something, but failing that, I do not want to hear it.

This was excellent.

Cedar
 

Copabanana

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Ha! I have always been curious about prostibulos! What an extraordinary thing to have done, Copa! Was it very exotic?
No. It was very sordid.

The owner and "manager" was a woman older than me. At that time, I guess 72. It worked out great because she spoke Spanish. Linda.

It was a bar. The kind that has a big sign outside that says: Girls, Girls, Girls. On an interstate in the mountains. The girls in the bar danced without clothes and did lap dances.

Next door was a motel. Need I say more?

We stayed in the motel.

We chose it because of my freeway/highway driving phobia. It was on the corner of the highway intersection of the road to take to the prison. I only had to be on the highway a few yards.

There was always so much drama going on. But the strongest memory is the Friday night when there was a call from the sheriff of my neighboring county.

My son had been admitted to the hospital with a brain injury. I began screaming and gave the phone to M who could not understand. I ran outside onto the long porch still screaming. Screaming and screaming.

The star exotic dancer, Amber, came outside and put her arms around me and did not let go. She normally was so aloof. That is my strongest memory. There is kindness everywhere.

Oh, and the snakes. It was the mountains. I was always afraid when I took the dog out--of the snakes.

Another memory: M and I made thanksgiving for everybody. In our hotel room. With pie and stuffing and turkey and cranberries. It was so fun.

Everybody except for one person (the daughter of Linda, the "manager") treated me and M with respect.

I think I learned a lot about M's character in our year there (we brought our boxer, Dolly, and sometimes, the Cat, Stella.) We did all of our cooking in a microwave or in a gas cooker we had on the porch. M cooked most of the time.

I loved my work at that prison. I worked F, S, S and M. So 2 days I was alone with an officer or with one other colleague. I had a great deal of autonomy. I like autonomy.

COPA
 
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Scent of Cedar *

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The star exotic dancer, Amber, came outside and put her arms around me and did not let go. She normally was so aloof. That is my strongest memory. There is kindness everywhere.

Yes.

What an interesting thing to have done, Copa. And you made dinner for everyone on Thanksgiving.

:O)

Cedar

Has your son made a full recovery, Copa?
 
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