For those watching the Casey A. trial.....

Nancy

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Donna I believe you are referring to Linda Baden, married to Michael Baden, forensic pathologist who testified in the OJ Simpson case. She would not be allowed back on the case and there is real grounds for her disbarment. No defense attorny should ever talk about a former client's case while it is still going on.

Nancy
 

donna723

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I didn't catch her name, just saw them talking to a woman who they said had previously been part of Casey's defense team. I think they were speculating about why court was cancelled for today.
 

DDD

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I agree about the high standards that attorney's should have....and I know that Defense Attorney's have to be especially knowledgeable and qualified to go up against the State. Baez started his life as a difficult child, dropped out of high school very early, went into the service and then went to college. He likely was not courted by big firms as he started at the SA's office and quit after a week or two, then walked to the PD's office and applied for a job. He evidently was smart enough to get himself through school but likely isn't the sharpest pin in the pack or "refined" in any way. But what I don't know is how many pro bono choices did she have? There may be an inner system at that level that I am not aware of at all. I didn't know that her parents wanted her to retain someone else. on the other hand their attorney seems to be making pubic statements this week that don't seem appropriate. Especially when he said the Anthony's believed Casey was responsible. Geez. I don't think her parents would have authorized that. DDD
 

DDD

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I just tried to pull up Jose's educational background. He evidently graduated from Florida State University with a degree in criminology. Then graduated from a small law school that is not highly rated. Supposedly had a hard time passing the Bar exam but in 2005 entered practice. So he had three years of limited experience before taking on this bombshell case and now has three more years experience with the Anthony trial. I tried to see how a Defendant finds a pro bono attorney but wasn't successful. Perhaps a Public Defender is assigned and then the Defendant can ask the PD for referrals? Interesting. DDD
 

Malika

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I think it's questionable whether ANY lawyer, however experienced or capable, could make much of a defence in this case...
 

klmno

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It's my understanding that he didn't start out as a Pro Bono attny on this case- it just turned into that after the money ran out, then he got approved as her PD but any allowed payment for that is covering other things so he's basicly a Pro Bono now.

In the state where I live, the Bar's magazine advertises for attny's to do Pro Bono work and depending on the type of law (foreclosures/real estate, for example), they assign a willing attny to do Pro Bono work for those in need for a 1 year term. I don't know if they do that for criminal defense cases too, but if I was looking for a Pro Boono attny, I would call the bar in that state and ask for a list of attnys who are willing. I tried finding a Pro bono attny for difficult child and was told there were none for juveniles because they can be appointed a PD if the parent can't afford one. We had no choice in who the PD was- it's who ever the judge assigned and could only be changed if the judge chose to or I somehow proved improper actions by the PD. I have no idea how much difference it would make if difficult child had been an adult or how much difference it makes in a death penalty case.

I dare say that any nationally known case would draw more options for Pro Bono work than the typical defendant and some attnys who thought this would lead to their own fame would be contacting the defendant offering services if they were willing to take it on.
 

Nancy

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In our area you can get a pro bono lawyer a couple different ways. You can ask the court to assign you one and then it's the luck of the draw, or you can retain a lawyer and ask the court to pay him/her becasue you are indigent. There is a set hourly rate they pay attorneys for pro bono work. Many attorneys who are willing to do pro bono work in our area put their name on a list with the courts. Also judges often appoint well respected seasoned lawyers to high profile cases and pay them because of the nature of the case. There is never a shortage of good lawyers willing to take on these cases for a number of reasons. We have a case going on now where the defendant is accussed of killing 14 women in his home and chopping their bodies up and burying them around his yard. He has no money, the court appointed two criminal defense lawyers that have been around a long time and know how to try cases very well as his lawyers. This case is huge and will be scrutinized by everyone and they want to make sure it is done the right way.

It was my understanding that the Anthonys paid for her lawyer(Baez) in the beginning and I even heard they took out a second mortgage on their house for it, but when the money ran out they could no longer help pay and she asked the court to pay on a pro bono basis.

Nancy
 
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HaoZi

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Florida Bar requires every attorney to do X hours of pro bono work per year. I don't know if every state requires that or not. I'm not sure how you would get one, either.
 

DammitJanet

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Nancy, I know just which case you are talking about. I so worried about your dtr when that case came to light but then they reported he was only going after a certain type of victim which reassured me a bit.

The thing that really gets me about Casey's defense is not that she has Jose but she has a team of lawyers. She didnt just get one PD, she has had or has now at least 4 or 5 of them working for her. I know that at least 3 are asking questions now and there is one guy that keeps up with stuff at the table and then the woman who pats her hand and head constantly. I dont think all of those people were trolling the halls of the jail.
 

klmno

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Oh...about that...one commentator said that early on in the case, Baez was being criticized in the press for being too inexperienced so Mason voluntarily jumped in to add a more expereinced voice to the defense, of his own accord. I don't know if that's true but they mentioned something Mason had accomplished as an attny that made it sound like he really was a wise, well-intentioned defense attny.

Then in court, Baez mentioned to the judge that the prosecution has 5 attnys on it's side so I just assumed that's why Casey is allowed to have a team. I wondered how a team is being paid for though and I also wondered who the woman is that only seems to be there to pat Casey on the back.
 

DDD

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On the Fl Bar website the attorneys are strongly encouraged to donate 20 hours of their time a year. Any hours in excess of twenty can be carried over for the next year or two. They have to fill in an annual form. Guess Casey's people will have 2012 and 2013 off. lol. DDD

by the way, I remember Mason and Linda Bauden (sp) from previous Court TV trials. Both were high profile cases. I don't want to venture a guess which ones but I am porisitve that I have seen them as part of "teams" before. Linda's husband was a witness in the trial where she served as an attorney. It "may" have been the case that resonates in my mind where the Army wife was convicted with basically no evidence. Subsequently she was released from prison when it was discovered that the lab used did faulty testing. She was the one who went partying, got a boob job, etc. after her husband's death and the Prosecution's case stessed "what grieving widow behaves like that after her husband dies."
 

Nancy

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Janet, it's a horrible case. All those women disappeared over several years and no one took it seriously because of their lifestyle. This case has brought a lot of things under scrutiny here, like unchecked rape kits and police who did not follow up on reports and police who actually ignored reports. We are all hoping he gets a very fair trial so that he gets his very fair justice. I worry about my difficult child with those kind of sick people. The sober house she is in is in a pretty bad neighborhood, a lot of prostitution and crime. She is going to be looking for a job soon and I wish it was in a better neighborhood but it is what it is and she will have to learn how to deal with it. Of course I will worry.

klmno, the back stroking woman is Ms Simms. She was hired because she is supposedly very good at cross examining experts. Then Baez never let her do anything and she was upset, but the few times I saw her in action I wasn't impressed. She was better than Baez and certainly knows trial procedures and how to ask a question without objections, but it doesn't appear as though she is that effective.

Nancy
 

DammitJanet

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Ya know...I really feel for these people because for the next substantial portion of their lives or careers they are going to be known as "the bumbling idiot ME", the bug guy", "The back stroking lawyer", and other assorted folks I cant remember.
 

DDD

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In this mornings paper they had the new Florida Court opinion on the dealth penalty. It appears to be twofold (I didn't study the article but scan read it so I could be wrong) the rightfulness of the Judge having the right to override the Jury decision and the individual Jurors (or collectively?) having to give specific reasons that they have recommended death. It sounds like it is limbo but don't know if this is what the issue is that will be addressed this morning. The Jurors could be dismissed and a retrial be scheduled. I'm watching as many of you probably are. This surely hasn't been boring. DDD
 

Nancy

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It sure looks like it has something to do with the recent death penalty ruling. Finnell was the attorney in that case that won that issue and I'm sure they are asking for a mistrial, and she is there in the court room right next to Casey.

Nancy
 

DDD

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Wow! That's a shocker. Competency was the issue! Wonder why it was brought up at that time?
Oh well, off we go on the next stages of this sad saga. DDD
 

Nancy

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Well that was a surprise, never guessed that. She sure looked competent to me, don't know what they based that motion on.

Nancy
 
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