Hey, Cedar, or anyone interested in FOO (Family of Origin) issues. Cedar, WHY NOW???

BusynMember

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He is with me. But he is broken, too. And the obstacles against him are everywhere. So, I cannot be the ballerina on the cake, with M.
I don't believe anybody needs to allow themselves to stay broken, not even M. He is not living with his father anymore. He can not control that his mother stays. His sister only controls him if he allows it.

Maybe he needs to join us here ;)

Seriously...although I will always have this damage in me, I refuse to let it stop me from being happy and I believe most people have that ability too. We are not them...whoever "them" is. We are just one person...us. And we can't protect those who don't want us to help them. Feeling guilty about not protecting an adult makes no sense. It's not logical. How can we save another grown person if the person won't help herself or himself?It is no different with a mother, a sister, a father, or a sibling than an adult child.

It is not on our shoulders. It is just sad that the other person chooses a poor path and makes negative or harmful life choices. But we didn't cause it, we can't control it and we can't cure it (as COM says a nd I love it).

It's not possible. Feeling guilt over this is not rational, right??
 

Scent of Cedar *

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I have to be strong. So, I guess if not the ballerina, I need to be something, someone else. I could say here, I have not left him, yet.

I was broken too, Copa. D H stood up for me when I could not.

I didn't tell him for years. It didn't matter, for years and years. Until our family fell apart; until I needed to know why and went to any length ~ any length at all, to find out why.

I have not left him, yet, could be a very good descriptor for our marriage, too. And the same for D H.

Sometimes, saying the things we are afraid to say to one another opens realms of territory in our hearts; places we have not been able to trust, or to let anyone in. We break past our separate lonelinesses and find welcome there, in that other person we have known, and yet, not known, for so long. There are no guarantees. This is a good thing, a right and true thing. That way, we are not trapped.

Trapped is the worst thing, for those raised as we were.

He stood up to the father when he was a little boy. He must have
a courageous heart.

That's the thing. When we are hurt into trauma, we cannot forget that feeling, that naming; the shame is a living thing, the only thing that matters about us. Those kinds of self interpretation, that mood or familiar way we grew up feeling about ourselves, that is what I was posting about when I wrote that I wanted to know and change the feeling tone of my self concept.

I think that could not have happened had we not done what we have done here.

I am amazed at us.

But I don't like Freud based therapy. I never did. What we are doing here, I never really did with a therapist. We worked on moving on in a better direction. That doesn't mean the shrinks didn't know my history. I told them. They demanded it. It's just that I liked focusing on helping myself more.

I like that idea too, SWOT. Family of Origin group therapy was that kind of therapy. She taught us about the brain, about the genesis of emotion and the track that gets laid down when we have been terrorized as children. We talked about the things that had happened and shared things like the lady who peed on her abuser's grave. It seemed daring and shocking to us that we did not have to accept any of those things we had been taught were true about us.

She was an excellent therapist. That is the Ally, in the poem about princesses on strings.

She retired, too.

She got me up and running though, after that first therapist.

I dislike Freud's theories intensely, too. If they worked, that would be one thing. They seem not to. It makes more sense to me that we need to see what happened through our own eyes and stop seeing ourselves through the eyes of the person who was so bad as to hurt someone else intentionally in the first place.

The first therapist was not a Freudian. I did not lie down there, either. Mostly, I did what I do, here. Work like crazy on my own to ferret out what I could and then, verify the parts with him that were too scary for me on my own. He was the safety for me you and Copa represent for me, here.

Some trusted someone to share the dark with, and to believe believes in the goodness in us, and to believe in.

Cedar
 

BusynMember

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It seemed daring and shocking to us that we did not have to accept any of those things we had been taught were true about us.
Cedar, if you went to therapy with your dysfunctional FOO no wonder it didn't work.
I went for me. Nobody in my FOO thought there was anything wrong with them or else, if they did it, they kept it quiet or were ashamed or afraid to go for help. Going myself gave me the freedom to do it myself, without worrying about what the others would do.
You actually made me laugh. I thought of my FOO sitting on couches and chairs with some therapist with a beard and pipe saying, "You haff a lot ov vork to do" and seeing everyone but me storming out, yelling about how it is only me and he was an idiot not to know that.
It also gave me a hilarious visual of my FOO on Family Feud. I don't know where that came from. Only it was called Family Freud. And Richard Dawson is saying, in his car salesman voice, "One hundred people were asked the question Who is the meanest, dumbest, laziest and most selfish person in the world. And my mother presses the button all excited and says, "SWOT!!!!" And the rest of the family claps and slaps each other on the back. "Good answer!" "Good answer!"
And Richard Dawson looks at the board and there is only one answer and it flips over and a bell rings and Richard says "SWOT!" is right! It was the ONLY answer! All 100 people said SWOT!"
And then he turns into a vampire with long teeth and I'm sitting here laughing and laughing at my little movie in my head.
OMG. What did I put in my coffee!!! I swear, I don't drink! No alcohol in this house ;)

My sense of humor has really helped me in my life. Laughing at the situation sometimes is very helpful.
 

Scent of Cedar *

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Echoed whisp'rings ride the Wind and blood red
a deceptive moon rise
Ere, winterborn, the witch learn
other truths....


Learn the twin wolves of vengeance and...hatred
live, in those eyes
Learn crimsoned ribbands, and rain
crimson...flowers, on stone


Heart's blood ~
spilled at the magician's behest


"Speak or learn the hissing, razored Names of my Sword
witch!
Speak ~ I command it
that which is known...."


Deadly
echoing silence


The razored hiss of that blade

Heart's blood....

Winterborn, she ~ dance, away
crawl, away
shudder, and...fall, away


Dance....

To the deadly, slow white rhythms
of crimson...flowers, on stone


Dance away ~
crawl away
shudder, and...fall, away


Ere that which was written become that
which was known
Crimsoned ribbands, and rain
crimson...flowers


And in that blood spattered arena where nothing
was heard
Where nothing was spoken, and...nothing
occurred


Echoed laughter ride the Wind....

***

As it was written, the magician desert her
ere the falcon did fly
Reappear ~ wielding the razored Names of his Sword
ere dawn...color, the sky


Named Righteous Anger ~ named
Vengeance
And both names
...a lie


Recall she chose Comforter
tho unsung, Truth rest nearby


Pled no case; asked no question
and received...no reply


And in that hellish arena where everything and...nothing
occurred
Where mirrored music was broken and mirrored vision
obscured


Magicians raise fearsome swords....

Recall she knelt, before the magician
ere the falcon did fly
Knelt ~ unashamed
ere dawn...color, the sky


Knelt
on her honor


Learned there
the razored Names of his Sword

Named Righteous Anger; named
Vengeance
And both names ~ both names
a lie

And in that timeless place where night meet day
where light and darkness meld and play
where visions walk and angels pray

Magicians raise fearsome swords....

Magicians raise fearsome swords ~
transmuting gold into...clay



More tomorrow, unless you are not finding it appropriate. It is not pleasant poetry, but it does describe the feelings of betrayal and vengeance and putting ourselves back together.

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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Cedar, if you went to therapy with your dysfunctional FOO no wonder it didn't work.

Oh, no SWOT! No one in my FOO is the least bit sick, either.

It was a group for ladies only. Each of us had seen this therapist for issues surrounding family of origin.

Have a good night, everyone.

Happy Hour, here.

:O)

Cedar
 

BusynMember

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Oh, ok. I've been in group therapy and still am. I like it. Seems like almost everyone has the same tapes in their heads. They all seem to have bought the same one. It's called: "I'm useless."

I'm no poet and I know it!!!! But this is the song of ours on this tape...

"I'm no good, I'm no good, I'm no good, baby, I'm no good. Yeah, yeah! Sing it again. I'm no worth. I'm a jerk! I'm not smart. Baby, I'm no good."

But in my case (second chorous)

"Feeling better, now that I'm through"
"Feeling better cuz I'm over all of you
You send your message clearly to me...
And I"m so happy that I now am free!"

Kind of a contradictory little ditty from Linda Rondstadts "You're No Good."

I'm in a silly mood. This is w hen I like me the best. I am not at all sad. I'm happy and feeling goofy and in good humor. I'm actually like this most of the time (yes, a bit silly...this is the me my kids know and somehow manage to love). I'm sort of silly at work too and am one of the jokesters. This is the me my mother never saw. once. I am actually creative, humorous and good-hearted. Wow, I MUST BE IN A GOOD MOOD TO BE PLAYING THAT TAPE OVER THE OTHER ONE!!!!!!!!!

I think Oblivion is a miracle for me. So....

"I want to thank them,
for letting me be myselfe...
again!!!! Oh, yeah, I want to thank them for letting me be myself...again!" (Forgot the artist. Sly and the Family Stone?)

Haha. Maybe I *am* crazy :tongue:
 
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BusynMember

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Oh, no SWOT! No one in my FOO is the least bit sick, either.
Well, I think my mother would have flipped her lid if anyone would have suggested she had some sort of personality disorder. Of course, I was not privvy to her childhood. Maybe she had CPTSD too, but she did not stop the abuse. She continued it, if true. Sis knew she herself) had problems, just not, in my opinion, smart enough to do anything about it. Brother has been in therapy for a long time so he knows. My Uncle, who I still have a really weird memory of (I hope to recover it in EMDR) was a neurotic mess who had to get my sister to hold his hand when he went to the doctor. He was about 46 at the time. That's all I had in FOO.

Like with your family, whether or not they admitted it or admit it now or are too busy telling me what I already know (that I have problems due to my family) none of them was normal as society defines it. The one who could fit in the best was my sister, but she was just an Emperor with clothes on. She was pure fake. She played normal well, but she isn't.

My friends used to think my mother was weird, but they never saw her at her worst.

Moving on! I remembered this today and wanted to share. It still shames me when I recall it. I can still feel that horrible feeling.

Ok, so I have a very old and very embarrassing memory from first grade, which happened because I was never taught manners or how to talk to others or social norms. I remember certain embarassing incidents very well and this is one.

I was seated at a little table with all the other little first graders who were in the "slow" reading group for dummies. I was seated next to my teacher and I raised my hand and Mrs. Goodman (still remember her name, but she is long deceased) called on me and I gave her a big smile and said (I blush as I type this and am not even sure you two are uncouth enough to know what I was talking about).

"I have to make."

Give me a moment to blush again and get over it.

Ok.

In case you were raised in a house that said, "I have to use the bathroom, then you understand that this crude way of putting having to go to the bathroom was not how the other kids asked to use the toilet. They knew better, even at age six.

I remember my teacher's face flushing as she huffed and asked, "Who taught you to talk that way?"

By then, I had my hand down and was scared at how she looked and my little girl tapes were telling me "Uh oh. You messed up again." The other kids were laughing at me, of course, as happened a lot.

The teacher was staring at me, still flushed.

"My mother," I said, softly. I was thinking, did I say something bad?

The memory ends there.

Things like this happened to me all the time as a little kid. I was not parented. I was not taught right from wrong. I was not taught the right and wrong way to say delicate things. I did not know that everyone didn't blurt things out like this. Maybe my siblings figured it out, but I never did. I was neurologically different. If you didn't parent me and tell me, I did not learn.

I was a child with parents who never taught me anything I'd need to function in the world, and more than the other two, I needed parental guidance, encouragement, teaching and love. This incident haunted me for a long time as the kids taunted me about it for the entire rest of the year.

I didn't know any better. I just knew my own home and my mother or grandmother would ask me, "SWOT, do you have to make before we go?"

I believe, but can not recall clearly so maybe it's a false memory, that nobody ever told my brother to take his hand out of his shorts when he was a toddler and standing in front of the house. It wasn't that he did anything wrong...it was normal...but most parents tell their kids gently that this is not something you do outside. I swear I remember him standing there with his hand in his pants forever.

What parent doesn't teach her little boy to save that for inside the house, maybe away from any company?

My brother and I had absolutely no social skills. My sister was a whiz kid at picking them up from her normal peers, but my brother and I did not and did not have friends. I learned slowly and he did too. And nobody taught us.

As an adult, going to my future mother-in-laws house for dinner, I still did not k now which fork to use for the salad. I had to watch everyone else.

Not that these things are huge. but they permeated our entire childhood. We were not taught anything bout right and wrong, boundaries, manners, socializing, nothing. We had no rules. I didn't even have to pass school. There were no punishments. All I had to do was wear long hair and date Jewish boys. I kept the long hair. I dated Jewish boys for my first two years of dating, but quit after my mother didn't believe I was doing it even when I was. Plus I thought it was a ridiculous rule. As a Jewish kid growing up in a 97% (at the time of my own childhood) Jewish neighborhood, the kids who tormented me for eight years were Jewish and the two or so kids who were not Jewish in my classes were usually much nicer to me so I was getting a sadly negative opinion about Jewish people. To this day, Jewish people still kind of freak me out. Being bullied at school is a huge trauma for anyone and it was constant, peaking in eighth grade before I got relief in high school because other towns went to my high school and I didn't see the tormenters as often plus I had a best friend who taught me how to talk back to bullies. Copa, I hope you are not offended. I did not mean it offensively.

One day I'll have to clue you in on the capricious way Judaism was practiced in my house. Copa, you will appreciate the lunacy of it. It's no wonder I leapgrogged to trying other religions and spiritual beliefs as soon as I got out of the house. The most traumatic days of the year were the Jewish holidays. I can feel my hands shaking just thinking of them. The house was WWIII every Jewish holiday...but that's another post.

A preview: Dad: "Your family isn't Jewish enough! We should use separate dishes, even though I never do!"

"Well, YOU drive to synagogue and your NOT supposed to drive. Why is it ok for YOU to do these things, but not us? Plus I know you eat non-Kosher food."

"So do you!"

"Well, why shouldn't I since you do? But YOU, you're the great Jew! You're really wonderful!"

(Insert many swear words and severe yelling).

Ok,I got tired posting this one so I'm going to read. (by the way, this was not a real fight t hey had. I don't remember any word-by-word. They were about who was the better Jew and what WE should be doing on the hoidays and let's just say we had not family get togethers and made no pleasant memories of the holidays and I longed to celebrate Christmas). Horrible statements about one another's families were very much involved in these holiday brawls.

Yes, I'm still in a good mood :)
 
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Copabanana

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What parent doesn't teach her little boy to save that for inside the house, maybe away from any company?
How courageous of you SWOT for you to post your truth. I have those hurts too that fill me with shame, still.

The thing that comes to mind, now, is about my sister. My mother remarried my stepfather when I was 11 and my sister 6 or so. Until my sister entered puberty she walked around the house completely naked. Nobody else did. My mother never stopped it. The thing is, she did not do this when she was younger, when we lived alone or in the year or two after my mother married, as I remembered.

It seemed as if it started deliberately. My sister got her power from her relationship from my stepfather and was protected by him and by my mother.

Honestly, thinking about why a prepubescent girl would begin walking around naked, be so out of touch that she would do so, and not be stopped by her mother stuns me, still.

My sister was a late bed wetter and I remember this was a central topic in the household, because it created extra work for my mother. I feel she must have been shamed.

My sister never has mentioned any hint to me that she was abused....

How sad. That's all I can say. And especially sad that we became enemies instead of allies.

Thank you, SWOT

PS These family words and phrases about going to the bathroom are really lighting rods for shame.

I remember that same shame around my paternal grandmother. What a cruel, cruel lady.

COPA
 

BusynMember

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Honestly, thinking about why a prepubescent girl would begin walking around naked, be so out of touch that she would do so, and not be stopped by her mother stuns me, still.
The things that you learn in a normal house were absent in ours, I guess, Copa.

We only had one bathroom with no lock (blushing again).
People used to barge in all the time. I'll leave the rest to your imagination, but speaking of boundaries...what are boundaries?
My parents didn't lock their bedroom door when they did the deed. I walked in on them once, but fortunately they were under the covers. He was on top and looked up, shocked. It was dark. I was about fourteen.

I left and said nothing, but it took me a long time to get over seeing that. It's not something you want to ever witness. At least t hey were covered up. I never went in there again after they went to bed.

Boundaries.

I doubt they had locks on the doors either. Nobody did.

Why didn't they just say, "Look, you never go into a room without knocking on the door first" and enforce the rule.

Oh, yeah. What's a rule?
 

BusynMember

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So I didn't watch the news for so long I didn't even know until now that the SC upheld the right for gays to marry.

Wow.

Just wow.

For many reasons, this is a huge issue that I care about a lot and for once, in my opinion, we did the only humane thing.

Shows you how I avoid the news...lol.
 

Scent of Cedar *

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I thought it was garbage, frankly. I experienced no transference with anyone I saw.

I am not exactly sure what it means to experience transference. I think it means you believe the other person is someone almost super-human. I did believe that first therapist knew everything I knew plus an immeasurably great amount of knowledge more. I was always surprised when he would not already have read a book I had found valuable, for instance.

I was surprised he watched television, like a normal person.

That is why his condemnation was not something I could ignore or put aside; but I couldn't figure out what it meant, either. It was pretty much a global condemnation, when you think about it. He knew so much about my mother. He had to know that I would apply whatever condemnation he voiced globally.

He had to know that.

But he still did it, and he still took my money.

When he left the city to practice elsewhere, he wrote letters instructing patients what to do if they had lawsuits pending. I don't know whether that is common practice either, but it certainly made me wonder how many of us there were out there who'd been hurt in some way. Then, I think it is unfair to think like that. Who knows who is right or wrong in any situation, right? I always think that way. But in this situation, and in the situation with my family of origin, I was or am being disparaged and hurt. So, I do need to see what is for what it is.

That may not matter as much where the first therapist is concerned. He is not an ongoing part of my life. Other than the poetry from that time, and the confusion over why that happened and what it meant, I might not remember him well at all.

I am very glad my daughter did not see him; because of him, I do mistrust therapists.

Cedar

"Feeling better, now that I'm through"
"Feeling better cuz I'm over all of you
You send your message clearly to me...
And I"m so happy that I now am free!"

I love this. I know that song, and I am going to remember your poetry to it for my own FOO. Defiance in it, and naming. Ha! We are each doing such good work. I loved the Family Freud show, SWOT!

:hugs:

What a great way to find negative tapes and name the speaker.

This is an excellent tool for me too, SWOT.

:O)

Isn't that something, about the vampire teeth. When I envision preparation for a Family Freud of my own, there is that same feeling of foreboding that permeates a nightmare. And there is darkness, and a silent stage.

I'm sort of silly at work too and am one of the jokesters. This is the me my mother never saw. once. I am actually creative, humorous and good-hearted.

Maybe this strong, good-hearted, laughing child is what your mother set out to destroy.

I love it that you are healing so beautifully, and with laughter!

I know that song by Sly and the Family Stone. There was a time when it blended so perfectly into what I wanted for my own family. I will have to think about words for songs like that, SWOT. This is an excellent tool for healing.

wow.

:choir:

Who knew that's what these little guys were singing about, all along?!?

:O)

I remember my teacher's face flushing as she huffed and asked, "Who taught you to talk that way?"

By then, I had my hand down and was scared at how she looked and my little girl tapes were telling me "Uh oh. You messed up again." The other kids were laughing at me, of course, as happened a lot.

The teacher was staring at me, still flushed.

"My mother," I said, softly. I was thinking, did I say something bad?

Ouch, SWOT.

You were just a little girl. What was that teacher thinking?!? There are teachers who shouldn't be anywhere near little kids. What a terrible woman. If only there had been another adult there to stop her. Many adults bear deep emotional scars from bad apple teachers and what they do.

I am sorry that happened to you, SWOT.

How awful.

My sister never has mentioned any hint to me that she was abused....

How sad. That's all I can say. And especially sad that we became enemies instead of allies.

Maybe she is locked behind a wall of shame too, Copa. I didn't talk about anything that had happened to me for years and years. It seemed over and done and unchangeable. I was (and still am) surprised how much emotional energy there is in old trauma. I am so pleased that it can be reached and exposed and reunderstood and healed and released, even now, after so long a time.

So that is the other cost of a bad therapist. A person willing to face and relive the traumatic childhood is hurt into back into silence and frozen, one more time, into shame. A life that might have been lived freely is lived in fear ~ not because the traumatized person did not have the courage to claim herself, but because the therapist was a bozo.

And they still took our money. You would think they would have been ashamed to do that, once they messed us up. Maybe this was par for the course for them, from the beginning.

Perhaps they were secret Freudians and not Jungians after all and misogynists.

That could be. Especially the misogyny part. Men either love us, and love everything about us out in the open and hate us in secret, or they hate us and hate everything about us openly and are surprised into loving us in secret.

So that probably figured into what happened to us, too.

Maybe that is what counter-transference means. That instead of keeping their heads regarding sticking with the role we are paying them to portray, a therapist slips into personal mode, and into his own business.

Which means our therapists owe us money, Copa.

:O)

SWOT, Copa and I should come up with words to a song about our therapists. What an excellent tool to name an abuser and to counter feelings of shame.

Except I still like my therapist and don't want to ridicule him.

But I do want my money back.

SWOT, it would be something if you could have gone back to that teacher as an adult woman who has raised and cherished and broken through barriers to reach the loving part of adopted children and given her a piece of your mind regarding her rotten classroom manner.

I am still mad about that teacher.

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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And at the same time, I was alerted to danger. He reminded me in some way I could not understand, of my father.

Well, that's the thing. That was his job. That is why we pay them our money instead of spending it going back to school or traveling or something else that would open other facets of self for us until there were so many other facets of self that those hurt parts lose precedence.

It's not like we're idiots.

We decide to heal.

We go to a healer.

We give him our money that we would have spent on other things that would have been good for us.

That therapist was supposed to be a stand-in for your father. Not only in reparenting you around whatever issues your real father left you with, but in reparenting you with excellent insight, tenderness, and compassion. That you have come away from your time with him still drenched in shame come of having been poorly parented seems criminal to me, Copa.

He was being paid to parent you, to reparent you, hearing and healing the wounds, and loving you into womanhood.

That is why we pay them.

If they cannot do it, they should not be pretending they can.

That is fraud, and cheating. And downright ponzi-scheme lying, when you come right down to it.

We already are women. We already are functioning just fine. We decided to be better and they promised us they could help.

Thirty years, Copa?

Shame on that dirty male therapist. He was cheating you, taking advantage of your pain and taking your money. I am just so stuck on that they took our money to do what they did to us instead of healing us like they promised they could. So, not only do they take our money, but they blame us because we are not healed.

Where, exactly, is the therapist's responsibility for all that money he is taking from us just so he will see us?

Maybe, they get to a place where they think people really do pay them their money just to look upon, and spend time in, their vicinities.

Thirty years, Copa.

Do these people not have an ethical system at all?

What to hay, Copa.

Thirty years you saw this man? So, he is absolutely a stand-in for the father. Only this guy took your money.

We should be able to get our money back, Copa. With interest. And at least in my case, I should get to charge my therapist because if he was in counter-transference then he should have been paying me.

What a couple of nasty old men.

That's okay, Copa. We will be seeing your therapist too through our own eyes. It seems not to take us so long, here where we decide to heal and do it. Still though, he was not supposed to hurt you further. If he couldn't heal you like he promised, he was at least not supposed to hurt you.

But he did.

At the least Copa, he was supposed to reparent you adequately. Not even perfectly. Just adequately. I said that to that male therapist I saw for three times after that first therapist. He was like, "What do you hope to accomplish during our time together?" And I said: "I would like an adequate male role model."

And he was like, "...okay."

He did well with me, too.

I still didn't stay with him.

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

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A...game, of black and of white mitered bishops
played on a board, universally black....


Glass eyed ~ that which...lies, in the desert
awaken
Ancient keeper of that acid-etched cauldron
where shine hope of forgiveness or, demon spawned
is a darker seed sown....


Name
the Fire in which she was taken


Call...
the Time


Call the taste of a dark Wind, named
Vengeance


Recall
crimson...flowers


Recall ancient whisp'rings and dark, eerie laughter ~
virulent, acid-etched truths
Nostalgic...vignettes
echoing, mirrored reflections

Hellish thunder, resounding
in a theater of stone

Call the taste of a dark Wind....

And in that daark and that thundered awakening
where the black and the white ricochet
Where innocence died when a mirror was broken
and a cripple accept a diseuse's bouquet

Magicians raise fearsome swords....

Magicians raise fearsome swords
transforming themselves into ~ prey


 

Scent of Cedar *

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Blood christened and bald
by the Scorpion, taken
Named whore
by the Child she despise


The witch name the Child
godforsaken


Twin wolves....

Call the taste of a dark Wind, named
Vengeance


Twin wolves
livid red...


Damning that which believes it must listen ~
daning e'en the Wind
Consigning the white Child to Hell
the witch flys


Twin wolves
livid red
in those eyes....


And in that dark and that thundered awakening
where fearsome swords ark and hiss against dawnings
gone gray
Where glass eyed, witches claim bloodied vengeance
where newly wakened cripples and beggared innocents
pray


Crimsoned ribbands reflect....

And in that blood spattered arena where nothing
was heard
Where nothing was spoken and...nothing
occurred


The white Child taste the Wind....

Turn ~
in an instant


Turn...
away
 

Scent of Cedar *

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A...game, of black and of white mitered bishops
played on a board universally black


The white Child steps forward....

Bearing truths the line doth yet conceal
crippled, yet required to kneel
Taught that which Time may yet reveal
taught the cost of dreams, come real


The white Child steps forward....

Recall
free will
Call ethical...
choice


Recall an ancient Wizard's
voice


"Recall, Child
that which yet will come
When that which was will be
undone...."


Recall...
free will


(Labeled...false, and labeled
Liar
Taught that grace, for such as she
expire....)


The white Child steps forward....

Determine
the star she set sail by
Integrity
the armor strapped to her back


The white Child steps forward;
steps forward
Never
looks back


Recall...
free will


A...game, of black and of white mitered bishops
played on a board, universally black


A...game

Recall...
free will


And ere the falcon, freed, be flown
its names and colors yet unknown


Its armor battered
its Truth, its own


Taste...ashes

Ashes
on the westwind, blown....


Step forward;
sneakered, sandaled, slippered ~
naked feet...on stone


And ere the falcon freed be flown
ere that which was to be was known
Ere the white witch waken or the black
be flown


Stand ~
by virtue of names yet unknown


Names whispered
ere the Child be grown
Whispered, ere the rains come ~
ere Jacob, thrice blessed
sojourn far, awesome lands


Whispered
ere...blood run


Staining
the blade
in the white warlock's
hands....
 

Scent of Cedar *

Well-Known Member
And in that hellish arena where everything and...nothing
occurred
Where mirrored music was broken and mirrored vision
obscured


A wizard and a befuddled magician
conferred


In a Confucianesque discussion
of just what it most certainly might have been
That each may or may not have believed
himself or the other to have heard


So did the game end
that neither player would play
The magician storm off;
the innocent...


Wielding that promise
spoke on a razor's nicked and crazied edge
the bloodied innocent waken
Choose, her Name ~ by the Wind
by the wolves, and by the Fire
in her eyes


Claim
the witch and the Child
godforsaken
Hold them safe ~
that which, glass-eyed, call the Time
that which...lies


Claim their truths as her own
there, in that hellish dawning....


Taught that which required to kneel require
vengeance
Learn vengeance require it become
that which...lies


Step forward ~
pain, blue on blue, in those eyes


Choose, and walk that path less traveled
where briars and black thorned brambles
writhe and moan against the noon
Where howling ricochets roar and rock
the Child


Where witches howl for vengeance
bald, and glass eyed 'neath the moon....


So did the game end, that neither player
would play
The magician storm off
the innocent...slip away


And in that dark and that thundered awakening
where the black and the white ricochet
Where witches fly and the Wind taste of vengeance
where cripples and beggared innocents pray


Crimsoned ribbands reflect....

Innocence ~ bloodied innocence, hold the Wind ~
hold, the Witch; hold the hunter
at bay
 

Scent of Cedar *

Well-Known Member
Psychoanalysis is a strange phenomena. It is an immersion. Cedar, you have mentioned before of the dependency, need and want, that emerges when the session ends, and one must leave. Swallowing your feelings, making it to the car. Sitting there, until you can drive.


I know! How courageous were we.

I went 4 days a week, paying him 60 percent of my gross salary. My first student loans I took out going to school at night, and used to pay him.

At the very beginning I cut out a newspaper article about therapists betraying their patients sexually. Who knows why. It would be many years before I faced memories of my own trauma with my father.

Perhaps, that therapist interpreted the article as a wish, I do not know. But I never did lay down on that analyst's couch. I would never turn my head away from watching him and what he did.

There were many things that happened along the wa

That is too often, Copa. I went once every two weeks. I saw him for something like six months and look what he did to me in that short time.

Roar.

Plus: This person was being paid to reparent you. That means unravel the harm done, parent the child within with compassion and with limitless, all encompassing love and tenderness and teaching. Blame is not supposed to enter in when we are paying someone to freaking reparent us.

Nor are our apparently hitherto unsuspected manipulatory capacities.

Ahem.

I am really mad at your therapist because I don't know why I cannot stand up and be angry at mine.

Ha!

But the feelings still apply!

Oh, good.

I have had that first therapist under my skin for entirely too long.

Plus he owes me money.

And nobody would ever believe me. I went to other psychoanalysts to consult. Nobody believed me. They all thought and said it was me.

Well, that is why it is a good, good idea not to see a therapist. Trusting someone else to interpret us is not a good idea. We need to reinterpret ourselves, taking or leaving the process at our own speed and to the depth we feel safe plumbing.

Of course it wasn't you, Copa.

We are female. It's like carrying the shame of the male therapists attraction for him when he knew darn well we were girls before he ever took us on. I will say it again: If they could not do what they promised us they could, then why make the promise in the first place and above all why continue to take our money once they realized they were no longer able to provide the service advertised, not because of some lack of effort or shortcoming on our parts, but because they couldn't keep their stupid hands off us in their minds?

They knew we were girls, going in.

Perhaps people like that are sociopaths or voyeurs or some other unsavory something.

It really does tick me off that these people are allowed to be out there holding licenses and taking people's money like legitimized charlatans.

For heaven's sake, are we never to be safe anywhere, those of us who were not safe in our childhood's?!?

Cedar
 

Scent of Cedar *

Well-Known Member
The sound of one hand, clapping
silent shrieking on the Wind
Of nightmared dreams and nightmare grapplings
of prayers unprayed and prayers, unwrapping
to gods of muddied spittle, and of tin


***

A quiet haunting, this...a death house
tread soft the ghostly corridors
where ancient secrets spark and shine
Where dark whisp'rings echo tales of mortal endings
o'er irrhythmic strains of melancholic music
that haunt the farthest reaches of the mind....


Swift ~ swift comes the sly inheritor!
Custodian of endings and arbiter
of grizzled secrets on the Wind
Spawned to count the wounds and call
the Time...


To pronounce the Names and bless
the climb ~
To condemn the murders and avenge
the crime

To illumine the path and rewrite
the rhyme

Swift ~
swift comes the sly inheritor....

 

Scent of Cedar *

Well-Known Member
When the moon be full and the westwind, blown
when the phoenix be reborn and the falcon, flown
Clad in armor spun of seed by a magician's hand sown
witch and Child, awakened repossess the cauldron
and claim the loom


Reweaving tales first told in ancient blood on stone

(Perhaps, Grandmother...
the phoenix cries, as it burns....)


When the answers yet unspoken come of questions
not her own
Ride the Wind
beneath the ashes on the westwind blown


When the tiles of that mosaic
first composed in blood on stone
Fall seamlessly together
revealing no face but her own


Witch and Child, awakened repossess the cauldron
and claim the loom....
 
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