Feeling Sad---Son is Homeless

Copabanana

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Yes. The MRI was on the list, and asking the doctor to fax an order for blood work to the lab.

I should talk. I have been asking for 4 years for orders for blood work which I never complete because I do not want to go anywhere without coffee, with milk and Splenda.
The issue with changing the restraining order is that he would never know. I have NO WAY of contacting him.
But he could be found, easily, if there was a reason, and if it was determined to be the right thing and safe.

It sounds like you believe the restraining order is the right thing. In your brain but not in your heart.

It is profoundly sad to think that I could not ever see my son again, alone.

Actually, sadder still, I might never see my son again...period.
Feeling, every single one of us is in this situation.

We do not know if it will be the last time or not. I did not see my mother for many years or speak to her. The last time she saw me she did not know it would be many, many years until she saw or spoke to me again. Or if she would ever again see me. I did not see her or speak to her for almost 10 years. During that time I thought I would never see or speak to her again. I did not much care. I do not know what was wrong with me.

When I saw her eventually she told me she flew to the Bay Area during those years and she got on Bart and crossed the Bay to go by where she thought I was living in Oakland. I am unsure how she found the address, but she did. Isn't it sad? And can you imagine how I feel now, with how much I miss her that I loved her so much and kept such distance?

That you have the court order is what makes it so hard.

I wish I knew a way to make the pain less.

COPA
 

Feeling Sad

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Leafy, I was taken away to a peaceful place with the tide...

I forgot to thank you for the wonderful poem. I loved it. I will reread it often to find strength.
 

Feeling Sad

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It must be very difficult for you to regret the 'lost' time with your mom. I am sorry. I know that you still hurt so very much.

I still miss my mom, too. I wish that she was here with me.

He cannot be found. There is no way of finding him. I spoke to a private eye once...a few days in. He said that he would use very expensive parking lot tapes. I told him that my son told me that he usually parks within a residential area and changes his spot each night. He said that he could not help me.

He cannot be found.

If I had someone approach him at the shelter, if he was even still going there for showers, he would run off very far away. He is paranoid. Also, he did not want me to know that he went to the shelter. They will not give him a note from his brother.

He cannot be found.

He lives in his car with no job, friends, or routine except maybe showers.

When I found out that he had a debit card now, I was thinking that you have to have an address to have it mailed to you. They can use the shelter's address. If that is what happened, that is good news. Maybe he is developing a trust there.

Thank you. A positive thought that I had forgotten.
 

New Leaf

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Feeling, have you ever been for a massage?
It is the most relaxing thing. I am thinking that you have been so overworked, especially these past few weeks with conferences, a nice massage would do you a world of good.

I hope you can treat yourself to something Feeling, you deserve some R&R.
 

Copabanana

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When I found out that he had a debit card now
Feeling, where does he get money to live? I know you are putting 50 dollars into the account, but where is he getting more?

I know that everything came to a head and you had to involve the police and the courts.

But the idea behind detachment is that our kids do better when forced to deal with their situations themselves, even the mentally ill ones.

Your son seems to be managing and may well have begun to trust some people--because he has to. So, if this is so, detaching is already bearing fruit.

He was a caged bird in the house. Yes, he had gourmet meals before and now he may be snacking at 7 11. But he is also being called upon to solve problems and deal with getting his needs met.

My son only applied for SSI after I kicked him out and refused all monetary help. While this is not the outcome I wished for, it was a proactive step on his part.

My son has made suicide attempts and he has had numerous hospitalizations for 5150. Still I threw him out of my house to be homeless. Because I thought it was the right thing.

Feeling, I believe we could find your son. Do you believe it would be the right thing?

I wish Cedar was here.

She told me I could stay in bed as long as I needed to. And fall back over and over again, as much as I needed. I was so hard on myself. I still do not think I have a handle on that piece of myself. Cedar understood there would be a time when the pain lessened and I could get up. She knew I needed all of the time I needed. And more.

I did not believe I would ever get better. And then I did. Maybe you even remember when I was still in agony.

Feeling, I wish I could suffer in your stead so that you could have a rest.

COPA
 
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Feeling Sad

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We could not find him. He is just living on small amounts. He is not getting SSI yet. He is not safe to have back here.

I would want to see him if he got better. I need to keep us safe.

I was told that an eviction would take too long. Our lives were at stake. The police will not remove an adult child without an eviction or a restraining order. I was hoping for a 5150, but he 'pulled itt off' that day. He had 6 days to think of an alibi.

No, I did not want to do a restraining order, but my youngest son could have been killed trying to protect me... I had no choice.

That last night, he could have been killed. I smiled and waved him off to protect him from harm. He was just leaving. My ill son was cutting something with a Butcher knife with a psychotic look on his face. His back was turned so that he c old not see my youngest son looking at me as if to say, "What's up, mom?" He could have hurt my youngest son.

After he left, my ill son sang, 'Ding Dog the Witch Is Dead". Then he went into his room and soon was arguing with his voices about not wanting to kill me. Siblings can be killed when they try to protect the mother.

My ill son would not leave my home. He thought that it was HIS home. He would not have been safe to others, I have been told, in an apartment or rental room. He refused treatment because of his lack of insight. I had no other options.
 

New Leaf

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Perhaps, little bird, when you find yourself going down the path of awfulizing about the reality of your sons illness, and being out there, all that could happen to him, you can neutralize those intense feelings with the therapists reassurances and hope-
"He now has a chance to receive help, when he couldn't at home being cloistered in his room. Also, my youngest son is safe."
And keep repeating this, to help you cope. To lessen your fears for him and bolster yourself, calm yourself.
He now has a chance to receive help, when he couldn't at home being cloistered in his room. Also, my youngest son is safe.

My ill son would not leave my home. He thought that it was HIS home. He would not have been safe to others, I have been told, in an apartment or rental room. He refused treatment because of his lack of insight. I had no other options.
Feeling, you had no other options. This is true.

"He now has a chance to receive help, when he couldn't at home being cloistered in his room. Also, my youngest son is safe."

You are neutralizing, going across the mountain. Good work little bird. You are strong.
leafy
 

New Leaf

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Sleep well Copa, Cedar and Feeling. I am going to bed, too.
Hubs is watching a Chinese soap opera with english sub titles.
More fook yuen and lots of crying. Sigh
Tomorrow is a big clean up day for us.
Towanda- on to organization.
Roar.
Peaceful dreams to us all.
leafy
 

Feeling Sad

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I just missed you guys! Good night all.

Copa, I would never want you to suffer in my stead. You are a true friend to say that! No, it is places to go and people to see for you, my friend!

I feel better knowing that your son got SSI when he was homeless even after some 5150s. I have some hope back.

Leafy, 'across' the mountain AND my mantra AND my 'private beach'.

Cedar, in explaining that I know little about his situation, I remembered something hopeful...that he might be using the shelter's address for a debit card and establishing trust.

Thank you!

Sweet dreams...Copa, Leafy,Cedar, and all.
 
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Scent of Cedar *

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I put money in my son's account Thursday. I am very sad about not having any contact or news for almost 5 months. I just made it out of the bank before I started crying. I do not even know if he will notice. It feels like my heart is being ripped out.

He notices.

We did the same, for our daughter.

***

One time, I learned this, and it gave me comfort. There are times when comfort is a godsend of enough, just enough, to stand up. So, this is what I learned:

I learned that it is not their job to love me.

It is my job to love them.

And so, I was strong enough to go on, to do the right things, to keep myself in a heart space where I could live. It was very quiet, in there. I could look out, leaving most of me there, in that heartspace.

I lived there for a long time.

I am so sorry for the pain of it. There was a time we discussed Radical Acceptance, here on P.E. Something about that term helped me, too. It is what it is. If we can bring ourselves to that point, then we can stand it. If we can get ourselves to that point where we know we have done what we would do again because there literally was no other way to do it or we would have found it, then we can hold on, somehow, for that day.

We chose. We decided. Doing the same things over and over leaves no room for something new to happen.

So, we chose.

And it was a correct choice, because our children have lives to live that have nothing to do with staying safe in a room while their sanity leaks away.

I am sorry.

It is what it is.

If you google paintings of the Mary, you will see in her eyes how to do this, how to live through this.

We don't know why any of this is happening to our children.

We don't know.

You had to do it just the way you did it, Feeling. Your son has a chance, now. It isn't so much that you could not have figured out some way to keep him home, impossible as that would have been. Some part of you knows, and knew then, that this is his last chance. He may be able to reclaim himself there in that harsher morality of the streets. He may see himself reflected there, and grow.

You had to give him that chance.

There was nothing else.

There was nothing you hadn't tried.

Now is the time when you gut your way through it.

Radical acceptance.

I am very sorry it is so hard.

He cannot be found.

That is the worst thing. But maybe, he will find himself.

Those words carry the terror of it.

I was not able to find comfort.

The days passed, and the nights.

We are their mothers.

There isn't anything else to say.

I would want to see him if he got better. I need to keep us safe.

You are doing the best thing. If and when there is another way, some other thing to try, you will. For now, believe this is best for him and believe in yourself. Where you are living from is a very difficult place. It requires great strength to live from that place. The alternative is to be destroyed.

So, we don't really have a choice in the matter.

Somehow, you will do this.

And we are right here.

Have you read Pema Chodron, Feeling? She will help you now, I think.

***

Wasn't that a lovely prayer Leafy made for you?

:O)

I would like to send it to daughter.

I will try to figure out a way.

She would so love it, to be cherished like that.

I loved the part about the lei and the circle and the fragrance of it, rising up as you placed the lei. I loved that part.
 

Feeling Sad

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Thank you, Cedar.

You are right. It was the only way for us...or him...to have a chance at life. He was getting worse here and trying to argue with the voices. He didn't want to kill me. I can only imagine how difficult that was for him.

My middle son slept with a knife when he lived here. When my ill son would destroy something it was very scary and upsetting. He would tell me in private, "Dont worry about your things. How is HE feeling inside to have done this?"

My ill son no longer has the triggers or the target, i.e. me, so that alone is better for him. His voices are still commanding him, but he does not have to worry about hurting us.

Also, being out of his room has to be better on some level. His room was stark, with dark grey walls and a dark brown sheet over the window. He had large holes punched and kicked into the walls. He never would let me in. Nature outdoors would trump that dark 'prison' hands down.

My middle son in college up north is very depressed. He feels embarrassed to get help. I texted him...He prefers this to talking. He loves his brother and is worried about him. He is finding it hard to concentrate. He is profoundly sad. I have gently told him to go and talk to someone many times.

He doesn't date. He is a biologist and does not want to have kids because there are 3 people in our family with schizophrenia and he knows genetics. He is lonely. He is so very handsome and gifted.

He helped to paint a large mural of the ocean and sea life outside of my classroom when he was in pull out gate, before I taught at that school. I smile each day when I get to my classroom. He was in the 3rd grade.

In 2nd grade, they were asked to write their favorite word and draw a picture of it. He chose 'ominous' and drew dark clouds. His teacher was impressed and wanted him to be tested, but I thought...why did he choose that word?

His I.Q. was in the upper 2%. It makes life more difficult for him. He sees everything and feels such pain for people's suffering around the world. He always has. He educates mentally challenged adults and school children out in nature. He helps with river and ocean clean ups. He speaks on current topics relating to our environment. He is trying to hang on...

The pain is unbearable. Yes, when I find any tiny fragment of hope...I hang onto it and cherish it.

Thank you, Cedar. Yes, it helps to know and FEEL that I did the right things for all of us.

It also helps immensely to know that I am not alone.

We all need to have hope.

Roar!
 

New Leaf

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Aloha kakahiaka,
Good morning sisters, I am checking in. A quick one, for I have my house to clean
:vacuumsm:.
I am liking this discussion you are having. Radical Acceptance.
What is, is.
The past...a lesson...the present...a gift...the future...unknown.

I am thinking on our discussion in FOO, cherishing our relationships, cultivating love.

I called my youngest daughter, she is going to help me with an art project.
I said "Let's go for lunch together.", and she said hesitantly...."okay."
She is a gifted hula dancer, a paddler, an amazing young woman.
In all of my struggles with my d cs, I neglected to cherish our relationship.

My two well adjusted adult children have detached from their sisters.
During my struggles,
conversations with them,
always turned to the subject of my d cs.
They grew weary of it.

We have drifted apart because my focus was on my d cs.
I have resolved to not broach the subject with them,
they do not have to have it thrown in their faces all the time.
They deserve for me to look at them completely, without the sadness of our family dilemma,
glaring at them, as if they were not important,
as if their triumphs go unnoticed
in the darkness and misery of their sisters paths.

I was not cherishing what was right there in front of me all along.

And so, I will shine my house up, ready myself and bask in the sunshine of my beautiful baby girl.
I am excited to have lunch with her,
to focus on her hopes and dreams.
To refresh myself completely in her presence.

Life is good, it is hard, but it is good.
For all of the hard, the dark clouds,
there are brilliant sparkles of sunshine coming through.

Amen.

The birds are singing their morning song.

It is a new day,
and with it comes new ways to look at things.

I am breathing.

Living.

I am so thankful to each and everyone of you for helping me come to this point.

Mahalo, mahalo nui with all of my heart.
Feeling, Cedar, Copa
and all of our warrior sisters, and brothers on this site.

I am blessed.

leafy
 

Scent of Cedar *

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Also, being out of his room has to be better on some level. His room was stark, with dark grey walls and a dark brown sheet over the window. He had large holes punched and kicked into the walls. He never would let me in. Nature outdoors would trump that dark 'prison' hands down.

Yes, I think so very much too, Feeling.

A prison of his own creation. A place more frightening perhaps than the streets, where he can hide or create rituals or be distracted by hunger, and can come to know those in the food kitchens, or in the churches where they serve coffee and donuts.

When one of my children is missing, I like to think that in helping the children of other mothers, maybe another mother is helping one of mine. Would it help you, do you think, Feeling, to donate food or volunteer time or cash to a place similar to somewhere your son may be finding food and the sanity of companionship?

In the city where my daughter was homeless, I have volunteered with other women to make and sell homemade pies. (My daughter is not homeless, anymore.) The rhubarb for the summer pies is donated by gardeners in that city for that purpose. The pumpkin for the Fall pies is from pumpkin donated to the Food Shelf. None of the people the pumpkin is donated to help has rolling pins or pie plates or sometimes, even an oven, to make pie. So, the pumpkin was piling up. And the ladies in the churches in that city all bake during the same week, and everyone knows the pies and jam are coming and buys one to support the Food Shelf. Local grocery stores donate butter and flour and sugar. In the summer, strawberry/rhubarb jam is made and sold, too. The money raised is returned to the Food Shelf, and to other organizations helping the homeless.

I did not volunteer there last year when I was home.

I should have.

I was not cherishing what was right there in front of me all along.

Yes I love this. I wish I could remember now how it went, but there is something that talks about the joy breaking through. Like, all we need to do is look and there it is and there it always was, underneath. Like Nietzsche's love. Or, like in the song Halleluiah, when he sings about the broken places and the Light, shining through.

I am happy thinking about your daughter.

I have never known someone who knew hula. I have never seen it performed, or been curious about those aspects of Hawaii, before. The information you share with us is beautiful, and there is a sincerity to it that I was missing. I am keyed to listen to all things having to do with Hawaii, now.

But I hear it differently.

My middle son in college up north is very depressed. He feels embarrassed to get help. I texted him...He prefers this to talking. He loves his brother and is worried about him. He is finding it hard to concentrate. He is profoundly sad. I have gently told him to go and talk to someone many times.

It could be that it is hard for him to find words to describe it, Feeling. Remember when we were quoting Elie Wiesel? And I think I could not find the exact quote, but it was something to the effect that speaking of a thing in words profanes its sacred horror. My son professes to hate his sister. I think that is his defense. It is horrifying, in the true sense of that word, to love and wish to protect, and to be powerless.

And to have to see it. To have to know the taste of that pain.

Yuck.

Maybe, if you could think of some little treat that he likes ~ not like a gift certificate for pizza or something, but some special cookies or something you could order and have delivered to him there ~ maybe, he would feel very loved then. Like a gush of surprised remembering of those times when he didn't know yet about his brother, and you were just mom and he was himself. Or, something funny, maybe. Or a book that you know he would like that has nothing to do with factual stuff.

Just something loving from Mom.

I do that, but I didn't think anyone really cared whether I did that or not. Then, one day, I said something to one of the grands and heard all about how this one was certain this particular thing had been made specifically for them and no one else could do more than taste it, and someone else ate whatever before anyone else even got any and so on.

So, I thought that was very nice.

They felt loved, and remembered, and seen.

Do you think some little something like that might help your son?

His I.Q. was in the upper 2%. It makes life more difficult for him. He sees everything and feels such pain for people's suffering around the world.

It does. I wonder if it would be helpful to sort of casually address that with him, sometime. Just something about how difficult it can be. I read a book about the childhoods of Einstein and Galileo and DaVinci and Tesla. I think maybe Ben Franklin, as well.

It was very hard for them, too.

Would volunteering at the local Food Shelf, or maybe, finding out whether there is an organization baking pies and selling them to raise money for the Foodshelf that needs volunteer bakers...could that be helpful to him, do you think?

Some way to help his brother without his brother being the actual one he is helping, in the hope that another brother somewhere is helping his.

My son wouldn't do that. He is so angry about his sister.

Each of us deal with our pain in our own ways.

Feeling, please be careful to recognize when your thinking is running you in spiraling circles of guilt over what is happening with your son. There was a time when I had to choose strength. I learned to say: "This is not helpful or strengthening." And disallow it. There is no point in weakening ourselves with recrimination that doesn't lead us to a new solution or perspective. We have to be so strong just to make it from one moment to the next, and we need to learn to be selective about where we devote our time and attention, and where we allow pain or guilt to be uppermost. When I am at a loss as to why it matters whether I beat myself up or not (and there are so many decisions I would make differently had I known what the consequences would be) I remember that I am the mother. From me, my children will learn how to do this, how to cope, how to value themselves and their lives and their time and their own children.

Thinking like that helps me.

I may not know how to do better? But I know that I want to do better, and maybe, just a little, I know what that might look like. So then, I can try to do that, to be that better, stronger mother I wish I were.

That better, stronger mother I wish, with all my heart and every fiber of my being, that I were.

We are right here with you, Feeling Sad.

Though I am so often distracted by that rotten family of origin of mine.

:O)

Did you know Feeling, that we began attempting to clear those old wounds so we could be stronger, less conflicted mothers for our troubled kids?

Yep.

That is why I am so normal, today.

:smile:

Cedar
 

Copabanana

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Did you know Feeling, that we began attempting to clear those old wounds so we could be stronger, less conflicted mothers for our troubled kids?

Yep.

That is why I am so normal, today.
Yes. Me, too, Feeling.

I am so normal for all of the work we did on FOO.

The thing that it is hard to tell our children...is that out of our grief and suffering and impossible hurts we fashion our truest lives.

I wish your middle son knew this. That his pain is a sort of prize. His red badge of courage. It is a very, very hard thing to explain because it is in the doing of it, the mastery of our trials that we achieve the understanding.

COPA
 

InsaneCdn

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He doesn't date. He is a biologist and does not want to have kids because there are 3 people in our family with schizophrenia and he knows genetics. He is lonely. He is so very handsome and gifted.
Feeling... he doesn't have to have his own kids. He doesn't need to be lonely. There are women out there who have lost their husbands (for whatever reason) and who already have kids that he could help raise without having his own. I understand not wanting to chance the genetics but it doesn't mean being lonely for the rest of his life.

It is really hard, though, when there is Mental Illness in the family (or other genetically-transmitted illnesses).
 

Copabanana

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I wonder if your middle son has a kind of survivor's guilt: he does not feel entitled to have a nice life because his older brother does not.

He may feel: why did this disease spare me, and devastate my brother's life? Especially since for so long, everything seemed OK.

I do not know if you feel comfortable broaching the possibility that psychotherapy might help him. He could receive counseling through his school.

This kind of guilt is common with siblings of a chronically ill or mortally ill child. Many years ago I helped in a study of people who had siblings who had died of cystic fibrosis. I think that was the illness. The woman conducting the study had lost a sister from the same disease.

There is no reason your son has to deprive himself of happiness. There are reasons he would feel such, but it does not have to be.

COPA
 
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