Feeling Sad---Son is Homeless

InsaneCdn

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Grief has stages, it is one of the stages, is it not?
Whatever the case may be, guilt, grief, it all just sucks.
Sorry I am in street talk anger mode.
Yes, grief has stages. And "guilt" is often part of grief. For example, a child dies and the parent feels it should have been them instead, or they should have been there to prevent whatever happened. It's ... part of the process.

I was just suggesting that, instead of labeling it "guilt", see it as part of the grieving process.

And yes, I get the "street talk anger mode". I live there a fair bit of the time too.
 

BusynMember

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A young man on schizophrenia.com said that he wished that he had cancer instead of mental illness. He would then receive compassion and not stigma. Mental illness is horrible for all concerned. They need structure and expectations to succeed in life, but their mental illness makes us feel more guilty for doing so.
Feelingl Sad, this hurts my own heart. It's true. Some idiots don't even believe in mental illness. Yes, I've heard people say, "It's lazy people, there's no such thing as mental illness." Still others say horrible things about the mentally ill. I have a mood disorder and am in a group of people with various mental illnesses, mostly mood disorders, and all of us have had similar experiences with certain clueless, ignorant people, some in our own families, some from others who are also mentally iljl, but are too sick to know it.

I have no wisdom to offer you, but can only add to those who have lamented how awful our mental health care system is. Nobody with schizophrenia should have to either live with family or walk the streets. Psychosis makes it impossible for somebody to take care of his own needs nor live with family. Yet there is virtually nowhere but jail. It makes me sick. Ever watch "Lockup?" It's one of my rather strange shows that I like about jail and inmates and there was one documentary about how jail is the new mental healthcare system. And it's true. That's where someone is most likely to get long term psychiatric care and help.

THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG HERE!!!!

Can you imagine society allowing cancer patients to either walk the streets or only get treatment in jail?

I am so sorry. I feel so badly for your entire family. I so hope your son can find a way to get help and get better.
 

Feeling Sad

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Insane, it is guilt AND grief.

Feeling guilty does not always signify blame. I do not feel that it is anyone's fault...although it is my DNA. But, my DNA is not something I chose. But, I still feel guilty that he is mentally ill and homeless. I wish that I could have done more...or rather, that it hadn't come to this. I feel bad being in a comfortable home while he is homeless. It is not my fault, but I feel very guilty that my son is out in the cold and without a warm bed or home. His illness controls his actions for the most part, not him. He also lacks insight into his illness. It is not his fault. It is not fair.

But, Insane, I also feel profound grief at letting go of the dreams I had for him...and then the 'modified' dreams...and then the 'greatly modified' dreams. Now, I would settle just for my son being safe...

But, worst of all is that sad heart-breaking feeling that I may never see him again. That is the most difficult to bear.

I think that I can't sleep because I am afraid of being hurt and do not want to let go of my hyper-vigilance. I have been this way since I was 11 and threatened by my schizophrenic sister. Also, my mind won't shut off. I keep perseverating ad nauseum and playing the, ever popular, 'What If Game'...

I hope that all of you are doing well. Or at least, as well as can be expected. Hang in there, Copa, and keep walking.

I am proud of all of us for our inner strength, fortitude, and resiliency. I am going to watch peaceful swimming giant sea turtles...

Glub, Glub ( sea turtle sounds).
 
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Feeling Sad

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Hi. It has been awhile. I have had a lot of stress and work at my job.

I received a handwritten letter from In and Out to my ill son. They say that they have something of his at the headquarters and that he needs to come in and show I.D. to claim it. I am assuming that it is his wallet, money, and his Driver's License. They knew his old address...here. It will be destroyed in 5 days.

Yes, I know that I cannot do anything. He cannot be contacted. Yes, he could just get a replacement Driver's License.

He still has his debit card to that small joint account. There was activity on it yesterday when I checked.

But, here is what I am worried about. He needs to have the replacement mailed. He used, I believe, the shelter's address to receive a debit card. Since that address change, his joint account statement no longer is mailed to my address. I have to call up the automated service and take down notes on the most recent activity. I only do this once a month, so that I do not get overwrought with concern or worry. I put in a small amount each month. Again, he is out there because his schizophrenia and its accompanying delusions and hallucinations brought on a violent psychotic episode. He lacks insight into his condition.

Back to my concern. He will have to have the replacement mailed to the shelter. If he does not tell them to keep his primary address on the Driver's License, then I will not be contacted for accidents, tickets, arrests, etc. I will be out of the loop, so to speak. I know that he could tell them not to contact me...I am thinking if he was severely injured or unconscious.

This big possibility of a changed address greatly frightens me. My son has moderate homophilia and does not carry a card or wear a bracelet.

The day after my ill son was removed, I saw a therapist. He was surprised that they did not feel that he qualified for an involuntary commitment.

I told him that in many ways, he is like a child. He said, "He IS a child". I told him how badly I felt and asked if I had done the he right thing. He said, "Are you kidding? He sounds like he could have easily followed the command hallucinations ordering to kill you without ever realizing what he had done". He then told me that I needed therapy to address my feelings of guilt. My feelings were very normal, considering the circumstances.

My son is not in touch with reality. Schizophrenic people are at a much greater risk of both suicide, about 10%, and being preyed upon by others. Again, my schizophrenic sister was kidnapped by a pimp and forced to turn tricks because she was gullible and naive.

Maybe people are not allowed to have the shelter's address on their Driver's License because they come and go. Maybe, hopefully, the address will stay the same. I am just heart-broken. He loved his wallet. He picked it out special in Chinatown.

Most of the people on this site have contact with their children and choose, rightfully so, not to help them. My psychotic son is in a different category. I had to file a restraining order due to my life being in jeopardy. I cannot legally contact him. My youngest son could...at a safe distance, but we do not know where he is. We just know that he lives in his car in the general area.

I want to help him, but I cannot. Yes, I had no control over his choices in the past. But, I want to make him safer out there. His cognitive impairment from his repeated unmedicated psychotic breaks negatively impacts his reasoning and judgment. In addition, he is controlled by his delusions and voices. This is like a nightmare that I cannot wake up from...suspended animation.

I still cannot accept the 'unthinkable' possibility that he could have killed me. Yes, my body believes that threat...but my heart...my heart... cannot. I cannot accept that reality. I am mentally unable to believe that fact. Yes, it was not my son, but instead, my son in the throes of a psychotic state. His voices were controlling him. I keep having flashbacks to that night that in an instant he held the jagged bottle to my throat. I repeat it, over and over in my mind, because my mind fails to fully register it.

Yes, my homeless ill son is like grandma with Altzhiemers out there on her own. No, it is not my fault. It was not by choice. Yes, I had to do it. But...it is still like a confused grandma left to navigate life on her own. I am sorry. That is what my heart feels.

I will keep trying to be positive, but it is difficult to stop worrying. I have had no contact for over 7 months. Yes, he is alive, and that is huge, don't get me wrong. He is in the area, is eating, had one lab performed, filled one prescription, went to the shelter, and joined a 24 hour gym probably for showers at odd hours with no questions and little contact with people.

I will continue to cling onto these positive facts and to endeavor to stop my excessive worrying. I bought a strider machine for $200 from a shopping network. My youngest son said that I could stride to a new me! Yes, a neurotic, worried, exhausted...allbeit more toned ,'new' me. Yay! I mean...Roar! Yes!

It should be called the 'Stresser'. Yes, you too can 'stress' your way to a new you!!! Yes, you too can convert your anger, fear, and guilt into a new toned you. The greater the guilt, the greater the workout! Angry? Well turn those feelings into a new slim...still angry...you!

Hmm...atonement and toned...hmm...coincidence?

Yes, my new S.O. is a strong strider who is 'always there for me'! Jealous , ladies?

Okay, I have officially lost it. All that I can claim is continual sleep deprivation. Well, my new hunky S.O. won't mind...
 
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New Leaf

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Oh Feeling, it is the continuing saga, is it not? I am sorry.
My Rain came to the house, was it last week? I am losing concept of time......she was extremely agitated and aggressive with me. Of course, hubs was not home. She would not act like that around him. I think she has hit meth psychosis. She came within inches of me, in my face, yelling, angry, it was scary. I thought she was going to push me over the railing. All I could say was "Stop this, get away from me." I was shaken.
I do not want to be around her.
She is far gone.
I cannot continue to lose my life, because of this.
I will continue to cling onto these positive facts and to endeavor to stop my excessive worrying. I bought a strider machine for $200 from a shopping network. My youngest son said that I could stride to a new me! Yes, a neurotic, worried, exhausted...allbeit more toned ,'new' me. Yay! I mean...Roar! Yes!
YAY YOU! ROAR. Taking it in STRIDE.
It should be called the 'Stresser'. Yes, you too can 'stress' your way to a new you!!! Yes, you too can convert your anger, fear, and guilt into a new toned you. The greater the guilt, the greater the workout! Angry? Well turn those feelings into a new slim...still angry...you!
I am using the free strider, it is called walking. I don't have room for exercise equipment. It would be great to have something like that, especially when the weather is bad. Good for you Feeling.

Yes, my new S.O. is a strong strider who is 'always there for me'! Jealous , ladies?

Okay, I have officially lost it. All that I can claim is continual sleep deprivation. Well, my new hunky S.O. won't mind...
I am jealous. Green with strider envy. I bet your strider talks to you more than my hubs, LOL.
Stride on sister, stride on.

I am glad you checked in, I have missed you.

(((HUGS)))
leafy
 

Feeling Sad

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Thank you, Leafy.

I am so sorry that you were scared in that way. No parent should ever have to go through that. You know, if I remember my son's face that night when he was psychotic, I do not miss him as much. When he was calmer, he could be very nice.

My strider only has a footprint of 1 1/2 by 3 ft and it folds upright to the size of a vacuum. (I sound like sales person). I walk, as well. But, I fell over a raised sidewalk from tree roots last year and could not walk for 3 months. This way...no raised sidewalks. My tract is full of them! I will do both.

Am I 'cheating' on my new S.O.?

Take care, friend. Stay watchful and safe.

I bet your hubs talks more than my new S.O. He is the strong 'silent' type!
 

New Leaf

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Hubs is very quiet. His favorite saying is "Talk is cheap" lol.
But, he has worked hard to care for his family.

You know, if I remember my son's face that night when he was psychotic, I do not miss him as much.
Maybe this is the key Feeling, we've got to stop looking at our kids with our hearts, and look at that angry "I want to hurt you..." face. Because that is what my daughter was looking for. She was trying to provoke me. She is 4 inches taller, and looms over me. It was terrible, like she was possessed.
She walked away muttering that I just use her. I was like HUH? She said "You get to be the poor thing, the mother of a drug addict." Then I knew she must have been on my computer.......looking at my posts. Well, it is not like I don't have anything better to do, or I am going to publish, or make money, or.......don't get me wrong, I LOVE my CD sisters. But, if I didn't have addicted d cs, wouldn't that be grand?

SIGH

I want a strider too.
Do you think hubs would be jealous?

leafy
 

Feeling Sad

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Slim Strider 360 on hsn on sale for $199 with free shipping and 3 dvd's. My youngest son is having fun on it. He is doing things on it that I cannot do...yet. I can watch the news and still exercise. He just left for the gym. You can do other exercises on it. It tells you the repetitions and calories burned. It does not hurt your joints...Low impact.

You are right. I will keep thinking of that other-wordly scary face. It will put things into perspective. But, sometimes he was nice when he was calmer. I just can't get past the thought that I might not ever see him again. If I knew that I would, I could relax more. You saw yours again, but it was very traumatic for you. There is no good answer.

Do you think that the DMV will keep the primary address the same and still mail it to the shelter? They need a permanent address...he lives in his car. That is if he even realizes that it is missing...

I am proud of you for the way that you handled your daughter. You are strong!
 

Copabanana

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He loved his wallet. He picked it out special in Chinatown.
We do not one hundred percent know it is his wallet. Except I cannot guess what else it could be with his contact information.
If he does not tell them to keep his primary address on the Driver's License, then I will not be contacted for accidents, tickets, arrests, etc.
You cannot worry about everything. It does not help. You do have the bank account.

There are cheap services on the internet that provide this data.
I want to make him safer out there.
You cannot. This is the fundamental problem. There is not one thing you can do.

It is like that psychiatrist said to me: It is between your son and the system. It was cold. It was hard. But it was true. I fired him. I still hate him for saying it.

Feeling, what can you do? Tell me?

What we are doing each of us is deciding whether we deserve to live or not. I think that is what we do here on this site. Little by little we are deciding to live. Because we deserve to.

COPA
 

Copabanana

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Hi Feeling

I am sorry work has been hard and stressful. How is your youngest son doing? Is he still going to move out? What about your middle son? Is he feeling better? How did he do in his classes?

Your oldest son is doing it. You know enough to know that he is OK seven months into this. Every challenge he will have to face is good for him, he will either master it or he will need to turn to somebody for help. His experience has been such that he has had loving family who all along supported him. In those moments when he needs somebody, really needs somebody, he will call on that history. History of love and care and responsibility by those who love him. That is his fallback.

I want to say two things here: First, I have told you, before. I will repeat it. When psychotic people actually face crisis, they stabilize momentarily to meet it.

Second, some of us, myself included do not have the history of constancy and support and back-up from our parents and families that we would have wanted. My fall back is betrayal. It has been hard to learn that betrayal is not always what to expect from others. Your son however ill he is, has had loving support his whole life. He knows that people can be good. While the voices betray him he knows somewhere in him that people can be good. He remembers. You. You are who he remembers.

COPA
 
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Feeling Sad

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I feel that I deserve to live, but the question that I address, is how well? I can't feel happy because I worry about his welfare and if, in the rare occadion, I laugh, I feel guilty. Yes, I did not willfully imposed this horrific brain disorder upon my son, but never the less, it came from me. Even if he was adopted, like yours, I would still feel that I was being deficient in my motherly duties if I carried on as if nothing was wrong. I cannot accomplish this feat emotionally. I am truly trying.

I have been dealing with menral illness in my family for over 50 years. I should get on with my lIfe, but I can't. Yet, it serves no purpose to suffer. I just can't loosen the motherly heart strings.

If I knew I would see him again, I would feel much better. Yes, i know tbyat you told me that you thought that I would. He does not think rationally. I think that he will stay away forever. You are right...I cannot do anything. If I could just hear his voice or see him. One day, if he is better, I hope that he reaches out. If he is not better, it would be too dangerous to see him. I would still like to hear his voice, unless it was threatening. I have mental illness burn-out...both from work and home.

I went through a year of listening to the bank account recent activities on the phone 10 years ago for a year. That is why I tolerated so much. I was so afraid to be back in that spot, but sadly I am.

I have a friend who had a brother years ago who was schitzophrenic and homeless. She said that I should not give him any money. She said that I am sending the message that what he did to me was okay. I told her that it was his mental illness that made him act that way. I am not mad at him. I love him. I can't have him live here anymore for our safety. Also, he was not getting better here.

I just wish that I had him leave years ago, without the need of the restraining order. Yes, given the circumstances, I did the only proper thing that I could do. Also, he would probably never have left freely.

I read recently, that no matter what you do or don't do, someone will get better or worse.

I also read, and know, that even though your child has mental illness, you still need to have expectations for them. This has always been true.

Are you still walking? Is your son still at your other house?
 

Copabanana

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I am truly trying.
I KNOW!!!
I have been dealing with menral illness in my family for over 50 years.
I KNOW!!!!
If I knew I would see him again, I would feel much better.
You will!!!
If I could just hear his voice or see him.
You will. I believe you will soon. I do not know how or why I believe this but I do. You need to try to believe it too. For me?? (I have fallen in love it seems with exclamatory punctuation, what is it you call it????)
I read recently, that no matter what you do or don't do, someone will get better or worse.
Yes. So, with this can you absolve yourself of some of your guilt? There was no, absolutely no, course of action for you that could have been correct. None. Can you see it? There was no way out for you.
Are you still walking? Is your son still at your other house?
I never did walk. Not even one time. And a week ago I ran out of my inhaler so my breathing is bad again.

My son is still in the other house but knows he has to leave by the first. I spoke to him briefly today. I do not know what he plans to do. I did not ask. He is a little bit better. A little less hostile and arrogant. A little more civil. A tiny bit more reasonable. I think even he cannot not pay attention to the unanimity in the world as to what a slob he is, how destructive of people's things, irresponsible, thoughtless and disorganized he chooses to be.

COPA
 

Feeling Sad

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Thank you, Copa. I hope that he remembers me. I loved what you said. Yes, I hope with all of my heart that he calls upon his history of being loved. His voices hate me, but he loves me because he did not want to kill me.

Thank you. What you said truly warmed my heart. I will try to be stronger, or rather, less sad. I feel that I am strong, just a bit frayed and tattered... and worse for wear.

I will think of him remembering us. Maybe that is why he is still in the area. He wants to be close.

My youngest son is doing better. He is still here and wants a dog. No, not a Chinese Crested. Alas and alack!

He wants a shelter dog and wants to keep it in his room when he isnt home. I still worry about my allergies. But, I want him to be happy.
 

Copabanana

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He is still here and wants a dog. No, not a Chinese Crested. Alas and alack!
I am glad he is staying. That is great news about the dog. (Although you may need a chinese crested to keep company....)

Remember I did the research on the breeds that are hypo-allergenic? It might be harder to find one at the shelter but perhaps? I do not think that keeping it in his room will work. But who knows? Maybe you can get allergy shots....

COPA
 

New Leaf

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Labradoodles are non allergenic, but they are kind of big......they might have them at the shelter....they are popular. Lots of people get dogs for Christmas and give them up realizing they can't care for them.....
I am looking at the strider Feeling, I like it. Is it hard to put together?
leafy
 

Feeling Sad

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Correction, he wants to keep him in his room when he IS home. That way, his fur will not be all over the house. When our Iast dog was very old, my ill son kept him inside. Both of my ears had ear infections for the first time in my life that bled. I lost some hearing and they still ring.

But, he is so happy thinking about getting a dog. It makes me happy to see him happy.

My middle son is doing okay. He has a job on campus in biology and was awarded an internship in his field. He is like your son, Copa, in that he feels that his hairline is receeding. He shaved his hair all off. I was shocked when he came down last time.

I am applying for a teacher project that I get paid for and earn college credits going up to Monterey 4 times. Cool, huh? I would be going up there to visit my son anyway. I will get paid, earn college credit, and get put up in a swanky hotel in Pebble Beach. Yes! Please and thank you!
 
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